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Can we take a minute to re-direct this conversation away from just the politics of SF? I want to draw attention to Bob Lee, a well-respected technologist and p

Can we take a minute to re-direct this conversation away from just the politics of SF? I want to draw attention to Bob Lee, a well-respected technologist and prototype hacker, always curious and sharing lots of interesting technical developments. He was a great role model for how Engineers should be respected in an executive capacity as he advanced his career from 'Software' to 'Product'. His efforts contributed to technology used by millions. What happened to him is tragic and wrong; he deserved better. Thank you, I'll miss you 'crazybob'. Please share your stories featuring Bob Lee, who I'm sure would like to be remembered for his contributions rather than as a victim of this unfortunate awful event.

churchill 4y ago
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- m0llusk 4y ago
  There are a number of ways to deal with criminals before they harden and kill. Schools and sanitariums are among these tools. Currently SF schools are failing to teach large fractions of their students basic reading skills and people known to have serious mental health problems are left on the street. While it does make sense to be serious about crime it also makes sense to be serious about dealing with people who have not yet turned to crime since by then even strong efforts may be too little and too late.
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  Good job completely ignoring the parent's request to not politicize it in this one thread. Do you think your outrage is helping anything here? Do you feel like you are being a benefit in this instance? There are plenty of places you can be upset that aren't in this one specific thread. I suggest next time you take the time to think for a seconds before hitting 'reply'.
- cmh89 4y ago
  San Francisco isn't anywhere close to most dangerous city in the United States. Do you have any data to support your argument that the 'catch and release' policy creates substantially more danger than traditional American judicial policies?
  - miles 4y ago
    > San Francisco isn't anywhere close to most dangerous city in the United States. See cheeseblubber's comment[1] which cites[2]: "With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 18." It goes on to compare with NY[3]: "The chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime in New York is 1 in 40." [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454781 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454781 [2] https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#description https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#des... [3] https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/new-york/crime#description https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/new-york/crime#descript...
    - cmh89 4y ago
      Your comparing a safe big city to the safest big city. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I didn't say SF was the safest city in the country.
      - miles 4y ago
        > I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. “San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities.”
        cmh89 4y ago
        The definition of danger is 'able or likely to cause harm or injury.' From Google/Oxford. I said "San Francisco isn't anywhere close to *most dangerous city* in the United States." You conflating property crime with violent crime is disingenuous at best on your part.
        miles 4y ago
        > You conflating property crime with violent crime is disingenuous at best on your part. No, it's just a definition of "dangerous" much closer to Merriam-Websters' first entry for the word[1]: "involving possible injury, pain, harm, or loss" If you do not consider carjackings, break-ins, burglaries, and the like to be dangerous, we simply have different working definitions, that's all. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dangerous https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dangerous
excerionsforte 4y ago
I wish some of the comments from below were merged into this comment for better visibility of those comments. There are things in those comments about what he did in his lifetime that are great to hear about. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454844 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454971 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35451821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35451821 4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35449584 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35449584
- dang 4y ago
  I've moved all those comments to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457341 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457341 now and will try to find the rest that belong there and move them too.
- BigCryo 4y ago
  Here is a quote from an article describing the security camera footage of the incident... https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/video-appears-to-show-mortally-wounded-cash-app-creator-bob-lee-looking-for-help-in-downtown-san-francisco-after-stabbing/ https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/video-appears-to-sho... "Surveillance footage reviewed by The Standard shows Lee, who had already been stabbed, walking up Main Street away from the Bay Bridge.....Lee crosses the intersection at Harrison Street and walks up to a parked white Camry with its hazard lights flashing. Lee then lifts his shirt—as if to show the driver his wound and ask for help—and falls to the ground after the car drives away, the footage shows. He gets up and walks back toward the Bay Bridge before falling to the ground again .... At some point, Lee dialed 911 and repeatedly screamed for help, saying he needed to go to the hospital.... Lee was unconscious when officers found him on the ground, police said." So looks like he was stabbed and he was wandering around in the middle of San Fran trying to get someone to help him even lifting up his shirt to show people his wound and no one would help him.. The reason our large cities are hellscapes is because in part all institutions censor dissenting comments.. cough cough cough cough...
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greatDEBONKER 4y ago
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vwoolf 4y ago
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- webstrand 4y ago
  They're not dismissing that, just requesting that this thread of comments be on a different topic.
- jxramos 4y ago
  What happened three years ago? Did they kick off some inverse broken windows policing test or something that they're in the middle of right now?
dang 4y ago
I agree and am going to partition these threads so that there's a place to remember Bob Lee that isn't an argument about current affairs. To facilitate this, I've taken the liberty of converting your text here into a new submission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457341 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457341) and am going to move the relevant comments there. I hope that's ok with you (and if not, let me know and I'll rework this).
- igetspam 4y ago
  Thank you.
patcon 4y ago
Yeah, thanks so much. I actually had regret for engaging and piling on to a comment. It was pretty tasteless on my part :(

churchill 4y ago

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m0llusk 4y ago
There are a number of ways to deal with criminals before they harden and kill. Schools and sanitariums are among these tools. Currently SF schools are failing to teach large fractions of their students basic reading skills and people known to have serious mental health problems are left on the street. While it does make sense to be serious about crime it also makes sense to be serious about dealing with people who have not yet turned to crime since by then even strong efforts may be too little and too late.
Eisenstein 4y ago
Good job completely ignoring the parent's request to not politicize it in this one thread. Do you think your outrage is helping anything here? Do you feel like you are being a benefit in this instance? There are plenty of places you can be upset that aren't in this one specific thread. I suggest next time you take the time to think for a seconds before hitting 'reply'.
cmh89 4y ago
San Francisco isn't anywhere close to most dangerous city in the United States. Do you have any data to support your argument that the 'catch and release' policy creates substantially more danger than traditional American judicial policies?
- miles 4y ago
  > San Francisco isn't anywhere close to most dangerous city in the United States. See cheeseblubber's comment[1] which cites[2]: "With a crime rate of 54 per one thousand residents, San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 18." It goes on to compare with NY[3]: "The chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime in New York is 1 in 40." [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454781 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454781 [2] https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#description https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-francisco/crime#des... [3] https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/new-york/crime#description https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/new-york/crime#descript...
  - cmh89 4y ago
    Your comparing a safe big city to the safest big city. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I didn't say SF was the safest city in the country.
    - miles 4y ago
      > I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. “San Francisco has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities.”
      - cmh89 4y ago
        The definition of danger is 'able or likely to cause harm or injury.' From Google/Oxford. I said "San Francisco isn't anywhere close to *most dangerous city* in the United States." You conflating property crime with violent crime is disingenuous at best on your part.
        miles 4y ago
        > You conflating property crime with violent crime is disingenuous at best on your part. No, it's just a definition of "dangerous" much closer to Merriam-Websters' first entry for the word[1]: "involving possible injury, pain, harm, or loss" If you do not consider carjackings, break-ins, burglaries, and the like to be dangerous, we simply have different working definitions, that's all. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dangerous https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dangerous

excerionsforte 4y ago

I wish some of the comments from below were merged into this comment for better visibility of those comments. There are things in those comments about what he did in his lifetime that are great to hear about. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454844 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454844 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35454971 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35451821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35451821 4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35449584 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35449584

dang 4y ago
I've moved all those comments to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457341 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457341 now and will try to find the rest that belong there and move them too.
BigCryo 4y ago
Here is a quote from an article describing the security camera footage of the incident... https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/video-appears-to-show-mortally-wounded-cash-app-creator-bob-lee-looking-for-help-in-downtown-san-francisco-after-stabbing/ https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/video-appears-to-sho... "Surveillance footage reviewed by The Standard shows Lee, who had already been stabbed, walking up Main Street away from the Bay Bridge.....Lee crosses the intersection at Harrison Street and walks up to a parked white Camry with its hazard lights flashing. Lee then lifts his shirt—as if to show the driver his wound and ask for help—and falls to the ground after the car drives away, the footage shows. He gets up and walks back toward the Bay Bridge before falling to the ground again .... At some point, Lee dialed 911 and repeatedly screamed for help, saying he needed to go to the hospital.... Lee was unconscious when officers found him on the ground, police said." So looks like he was stabbed and he was wandering around in the middle of San Fran trying to get someone to help him even lifting up his shirt to show people his wound and no one would help him.. The reason our large cities are hellscapes is because in part all institutions censor dissenting comments.. cough cough cough cough...

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webstrand 4y ago
They're not dismissing that, just requesting that this thread of comments be on a different topic.
jxramos 4y ago
What happened three years ago? Did they kick off some inverse broken windows policing test or something that they're in the middle of right now?

dang 4y ago

I agree and am going to partition these threads so that there's a place to remember Bob Lee that isn't an argument about current affairs. To facilitate this, I've taken the liberty of converting your text here into a new submission (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457341 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35457341) and am going to move the relevant comments there. I hope that's ok with you (and if not, let me know and I'll rework this).

igetspam 4y ago
Thank you.

patcon 4y ago

Yeah, thanks so much. I actually had regret for engaging and piling on to a comment. It was pretty tasteless on my part :(