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> PWAs could be made to not suck. I've hear that fantasy before > But Apple and Google don’t exactly have a huge incentive to do that. Google is literally th

> PWAs could be made to not suck. I've hear that fantasy before > But Apple and Google don’t exactly have a huge incentive to do that. Google is literally the main company behind PWA push. Android doesn't have any of the perceived or real limitations that iOS has. Well, where are these non-sucky PWAs?

mejutoco 4y ago
> I've hear that fantasy before Did you hear it from Steve Jobs? https://9to5mac.com/2011/10/21/jobs-original-vision-for-the-iphone-no-third-party-native-apps/ https://9to5mac.com/2011/10/21/jobs-original-vision-for-the-... Electron apps also had/have a bad reputation and the came vscode.
- illiarian 4y ago
  I heard it from Jobs. And? On VS Code: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35450206 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35450206
  - mejutoco 4y ago
    I am not the biggest fan of VS Code but it has a lot of fans. That aside, focusing on the main topic, and now I am answering more seriously. You claimed PWA that do not suck are a fantasy. My point is it is not such a crazy thought. It is very possible. Now that Apple wants to appear less monopolistic (probably because of Epic court case) they are finally giving more permissions to PWAs. On top of that the founder of the company expressed this same vision. Both things, together, make me think that it is not such a fantasy.
    - illiarian 4y ago
      > You claimed PWA that do not suck are a fantasy. My point is it is not such a crazy thought. It is very possible. And those are? > Now that Apple wants to appear less monopolistic Android is 70% of world's smartphones with none of the limitations that people accuse Safari of. Where are those amazing PWAs we keep hearing a out?
      - mejutoco 4y ago
        I do not have a killer PWA app to share with you, unfortunately, unless you want to check my amazing PWA ios calculator clone https://getcalculator.app/ https://getcalculator.app/ :) The ipad does not have a calculator. You claimed it was a fantasy. I disagree. I think you will only accept it is not a fantasy if I show you an amazing PWA. I am happy to accept it is not a fantasy if it is possible (Epic app store court case makes it possible IMO). To me, a fantasy is something impossible, not only something that does not exist. We will have to agree to disagree.
thrashh 4y ago
PWAs and apps are practically the same. You have some code. It turns into bytecode. It runs on a machine (bare metal or virtual machine). The only difference is the APIs it has access to. The reason why PWAs suck is that it has access to some pretty basic APIs. Who controls the APIs? Apple and Google. They’re the only people that can make a PWA nice. However, you constantly hear about efforts to make PWAs nice from people other than Apple and Google but these people aren’t in control of anything and honestly don’t matter. Now Google may have been behind PWAs but from what I see, it’s been mostly to make web apps work better in browsers — apps like Gmail. But they’re not that invested in replacing apps with PWAs because if they were, you’d see them dogfooding their own apps as PWAs. However, they’re not. So really, neither Apple or Google are invested in replacing apps with PWAs and until the dominant platforms want to, it will never happen.
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mejutoco 4y ago

> I've hear that fantasy before Did you hear it from Steve Jobs? https://9to5mac.com/2011/10/21/jobs-original-vision-for-the-iphone-no-third-party-native-apps/ https://9to5mac.com/2011/10/21/jobs-original-vision-for-the-... Electron apps also had/have a bad reputation and the came vscode.

illiarian 4y ago
I heard it from Jobs. And? On VS Code: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35450206 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35450206
- mejutoco 4y ago
  I am not the biggest fan of VS Code but it has a lot of fans. That aside, focusing on the main topic, and now I am answering more seriously. You claimed PWA that do not suck are a fantasy. My point is it is not such a crazy thought. It is very possible. Now that Apple wants to appear less monopolistic (probably because of Epic court case) they are finally giving more permissions to PWAs. On top of that the founder of the company expressed this same vision. Both things, together, make me think that it is not such a fantasy.
  - illiarian 4y ago
    > You claimed PWA that do not suck are a fantasy. My point is it is not such a crazy thought. It is very possible. And those are? > Now that Apple wants to appear less monopolistic Android is 70% of world's smartphones with none of the limitations that people accuse Safari of. Where are those amazing PWAs we keep hearing a out?
    - mejutoco 4y ago
      I do not have a killer PWA app to share with you, unfortunately, unless you want to check my amazing PWA ios calculator clone https://getcalculator.app/ https://getcalculator.app/ :) The ipad does not have a calculator. You claimed it was a fantasy. I disagree. I think you will only accept it is not a fantasy if I show you an amazing PWA. I am happy to accept it is not a fantasy if it is possible (Epic app store court case makes it possible IMO). To me, a fantasy is something impossible, not only something that does not exist. We will have to agree to disagree.

thrashh 4y ago

PWAs and apps are practically the same. You have some code. It turns into bytecode. It runs on a machine (bare metal or virtual machine). The only difference is the APIs it has access to. The reason why PWAs suck is that it has access to some pretty basic APIs. Who controls the APIs? Apple and Google. They’re the only people that can make a PWA nice. However, you constantly hear about efforts to make PWAs nice from people other than Apple and Google but these people aren’t in control of anything and honestly don’t matter. Now Google may have been behind PWAs but from what I see, it’s been mostly to make web apps work better in browsers — apps like Gmail. But they’re not that invested in replacing apps with PWAs because if they were, you’d see them dogfooding their own apps as PWAs. However, they’re not. So really, neither Apple or Google are invested in replacing apps with PWAs and until the dominant platforms want to, it will never happen.

joking 4y ago

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