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Such as? Genuine question.

Toutouxc 4y ago
The trackpad.
Dalewyn 4y ago
Best speakers in-class, consistently decent keyboard and touchpad (butterfly aside), consistently decent monitor/screen, consistent software design language, "It Just Works(tm)" convenience, social status symbol.
- toastal 4y ago
  With the speakers, it’s the tuning, not the hardware that is great (though I will agree their tuning is the best). The rest related to hardware, every flagship also does it just as well, but a little different. Software, if you’re comparing to Windows then anything will win, but macOS/iOS is really hostile to users in other ways. Idgaf about “status symbol”.
raffraffraff 4y ago
Trackpad. It's basically the only thing I always notice when using any other brands of laptop. Even the "really good ones" suck by comparison.
tannhaeuser 4y ago
Top menu with reasonable use of available space rather than the half-assed attempt to appeal to a hypothetical normie user on a 2014 tablet/netbook that gnome is doing Touchpad driver that isn't outright physically painful to use Progress in assistive technologies, font rendering, display technology and resolution rather than shipping hardly readable traditional Linux-style dark-blue on black terminal themes on today's dark default themes coupled with a lack of easy configuration Actually working power management, and actual power efficiency resulting in 10h running times (despite overreaching stuff such as systemd, the developer of which has now left for MS to feast on INIs) Focus on end user functionality rather than endless new developer improvements and abstraction frameworks for self-inflicted problems (snap/flatpack/Docker and other meta containers rather than fixing ld.so and glibc or just use static linking) when new apps aren't coming anyways A feeling that the desktop/Finder and UX is evolving and respecting habits rather than being restarted with every release State of the art commercial apps for media production rather than 90s apps struggling for compatibility as devs turn to new playgrounds
- terhechte 4y ago
  I would add Keybindings that are the same in all apps. Also, Having Command / Super as the keybinding key is awesome because it opens Control for the Readline / Emacs keybindings and doesn't end up in insane shortcut situations like every linux terminal where "copy" suddenly transforms from CTRL+C to CTRL+Shift+C. MacOS has by far the best idea and implementation of how desktop keybindings should work (and no, I love vim but having desktop-wide vim keybindings doesn't make sense because not every input field can easily be modal). I'm constantly surprised why no linux distribution has copied this.
  - krylon 4y ago
    That is the one thing I really miss after going back to Linux. Especially the Emacs-style keybinding in all text input were a delight.
    - terhechte 4y ago
      FYI: You can enable them in Gnome with Gnome-Tweaks. Apparently a very recent version of Gnome dropped this functionality for reasons that are beyond my understanding (but that's often the case when I look at the decisions that the Gnome devs make). However, getting the Control -> Command/Super thing to work is much trickier. The best way is to use this: https://github.com/mooz/xkeysnail https://github.com/mooz/xkeysnail However when I tried that, I ran into all kinds of weird behaviours all over the OS. Also, it doesn't work with Wayland.
      - benn0 4y ago
        Another option is https://kinto.sh https://kinto.sh . It worked perfectly for me out of the box on Pop OS, and with a few tweaks to shortcuts I’m pretty happy with the experience to the point where I can fairly seamlessly switch between computers and not be driven crazy by the shortcuts.
  - goosedragons 4y ago
    You can't mention Emacs keybindings and claim "keybindings are the same in all apps" when Apple's Emacs keybindings are not the same as Emacs proper. For example moving a word left is now Ctrl-Option B instead of M-B. Most terminal emulators let you remap Ctrl+C, Ctrl+Z, Ctrl+V if you really want.
baq 4y ago
Everything up to macOS itself is top notch. Trackpad, keyboard, display, CPU - all best in class. What isn't best in class is good enough. macOS the desktop part... let's keep it polite and call it a matter of preference (it sucks)
- theK 4y ago
  Agreed. When I was using Apple laptops as daily drivers I always got the questions why I was replacing the OS with Linux. Fact of the matter was that (at least for me) it was a much stabler environment to work with, less crashing, less unexpected feature failures, etc. Its funny how the reality distortion works for MacOS, people really look very incredulous when you tell them that Linux on Mac works better for you than MacOS on Mac :-)
  - jcz_nz 4y ago
    I’m not sure when your experience dates to, or what kind of dev you were working, but I’ve had the exact opposite: on MacBooks for ~15 years, range of dev (full stack on a few stacks down to large footprint performance critical golang), VM’s etc. In all that time I can count the number of full on crashes (kernel panics) on healthy hardware on one hand. macOS has been supremely stable in my experience.
  - matwood 4y ago
    I always wonder what people are doing where their computer crashes all the time. I've been using Macs since the G4 days and have rarely had any crashes. But, the same is true for Windows for many years when I was a developer for Windows software. Linux is probably where I've had the most crashes b/c it lets you shoot yourself in the foot - which I did many times while learning linux in the 90s-00s.
  - wafer_thin 4y ago
    I run arch linux on my ancient macbook pro 2011. The reason I installed this flavor of linux was to disable a faulty gpu, and the guidance I found was using this distro. This mac has been my all-day-every-day workhorse ever since. And as for linux, with i3 window manager it is fantastic. It runs all the latest things I need for programming and it runs them fast. I almost never boot into mac at all anymore.

The trackpad.

Best speakers in-class, consistently decent keyboard and touchpad (butterfly aside), consistently decent monitor/screen, consistent software design language, "It Just Works(tm)" convenience, social status symbol.

toastal 4y ago
With the speakers, it’s the tuning, not the hardware that is great (though I will agree their tuning is the best). The rest related to hardware, every flagship also does it just as well, but a little different. Software, if you’re comparing to Windows then anything will win, but macOS/iOS is really hostile to users in other ways. Idgaf about “status symbol”.

raffraffraff 4y ago

Trackpad. It's basically the only thing I always notice when using any other brands of laptop. Even the "really good ones" suck by comparison.

tannhaeuser 4y ago

Top menu with reasonable use of available space rather than the half-assed attempt to appeal to a hypothetical normie user on a 2014 tablet/netbook that gnome is doing Touchpad driver that isn't outright physically painful to use Progress in assistive technologies, font rendering, display technology and resolution rather than shipping hardly readable traditional Linux-style dark-blue on black terminal themes on today's dark default themes coupled with a lack of easy configuration Actually working power management, and actual power efficiency resulting in 10h running times (despite overreaching stuff such as systemd, the developer of which has now left for MS to feast on INIs) Focus on end user functionality rather than endless new developer improvements and abstraction frameworks for self-inflicted problems (snap/flatpack/Docker and other meta containers rather than fixing ld.so and glibc or just use static linking) when new apps aren't coming anyways A feeling that the desktop/Finder and UX is evolving and respecting habits rather than being restarted with every release State of the art commercial apps for media production rather than 90s apps struggling for compatibility as devs turn to new playgrounds

terhechte 4y ago
I would add Keybindings that are the same in all apps. Also, Having Command / Super as the keybinding key is awesome because it opens Control for the Readline / Emacs keybindings and doesn't end up in insane shortcut situations like every linux terminal where "copy" suddenly transforms from CTRL+C to CTRL+Shift+C. MacOS has by far the best idea and implementation of how desktop keybindings should work (and no, I love vim but having desktop-wide vim keybindings doesn't make sense because not every input field can easily be modal). I'm constantly surprised why no linux distribution has copied this.
- krylon 4y ago
  That is the one thing I really miss after going back to Linux. Especially the Emacs-style keybinding in all text input were a delight.
  - terhechte 4y ago
    FYI: You can enable them in Gnome with Gnome-Tweaks. Apparently a very recent version of Gnome dropped this functionality for reasons that are beyond my understanding (but that's often the case when I look at the decisions that the Gnome devs make). However, getting the Control -> Command/Super thing to work is much trickier. The best way is to use this: https://github.com/mooz/xkeysnail https://github.com/mooz/xkeysnail However when I tried that, I ran into all kinds of weird behaviours all over the OS. Also, it doesn't work with Wayland.
    - benn0 4y ago
      Another option is https://kinto.sh https://kinto.sh . It worked perfectly for me out of the box on Pop OS, and with a few tweaks to shortcuts I’m pretty happy with the experience to the point where I can fairly seamlessly switch between computers and not be driven crazy by the shortcuts.
- goosedragons 4y ago
  You can't mention Emacs keybindings and claim "keybindings are the same in all apps" when Apple's Emacs keybindings are not the same as Emacs proper. For example moving a word left is now Ctrl-Option B instead of M-B. Most terminal emulators let you remap Ctrl+C, Ctrl+Z, Ctrl+V if you really want.

baq 4y ago

Everything up to macOS itself is top notch. Trackpad, keyboard, display, CPU - all best in class. What isn't best in class is good enough. macOS the desktop part... let's keep it polite and call it a matter of preference (it sucks)

theK 4y ago
Agreed. When I was using Apple laptops as daily drivers I always got the questions why I was replacing the OS with Linux. Fact of the matter was that (at least for me) it was a much stabler environment to work with, less crashing, less unexpected feature failures, etc. Its funny how the reality distortion works for MacOS, people really look very incredulous when you tell them that Linux on Mac works better for you than MacOS on Mac :-)
- jcz_nz 4y ago
  I’m not sure when your experience dates to, or what kind of dev you were working, but I’ve had the exact opposite: on MacBooks for ~15 years, range of dev (full stack on a few stacks down to large footprint performance critical golang), VM’s etc. In all that time I can count the number of full on crashes (kernel panics) on healthy hardware on one hand. macOS has been supremely stable in my experience.
- matwood 4y ago
  I always wonder what people are doing where their computer crashes all the time. I've been using Macs since the G4 days and have rarely had any crashes. But, the same is true for Windows for many years when I was a developer for Windows software. Linux is probably where I've had the most crashes b/c it lets you shoot yourself in the foot - which I did many times while learning linux in the 90s-00s.
- wafer_thin 4y ago
  I run arch linux on my ancient macbook pro 2011. The reason I installed this flavor of linux was to disable a faulty gpu, and the guidance I found was using this distro. This mac has been my all-day-every-day workhorse ever since. And as for linux, with i3 window manager it is fantastic. It runs all the latest things I need for programming and it runs them fast. I almost never boot into mac at all anymore.