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> Sugars and <edit> complex carbohydrates </edit> that break down to derive a lot of fructose https://twitter.com/sguyenet/status/669638118400749568 https://tw

> Sugars and <edit> complex carbohydrates </edit> that break down to derive a lot of fructose https://twitter.com/sguyenet/status/669638118400749568 https://twitter.com/sguyenet/status/669638118400749568

anenefan 4y ago
Unsure what message you're implying or just sugar consumption in the US has declined more than 15% since 1999. Though similar decline is reflected at a couple other online areas [1] [2] I am however not going to research and quantify that ... besides I don't trust the big food industry to provide accurate figures, I'd only confidently trust a totally independent facility that confirmed overall sugar and easy to digest carbohydrate levels in each food item and average consumption by the population. Sugars like sucrose and HFCS rather than regular corn syrup, yield 50% and >42% fructose respectively. It's consumption in great quantity does not seem to have a major impact on some people, but certainly others are prone to the vast amount of fructose consumed. Harvard iirc showed how the extra fructose in diet corresponded to longer villi in the gut. Obviously there's other factors at play, but excess fructose consumption is nonetheless an obvious change in diet to what those earlier than 60 or 70 years ago. [1] https://www.healthyfoodamerica.org/sugartoolkit_overview_original https://www.healthyfoodamerica.org/sugartoolkit_overview_ori... [2] https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Sugar-consumption-in-the-US-The-black-line-is-sugar-from-cane-beet-and-corn-combined_fig19_283462716 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Sugar-consumption-in-the...
- 876978095789789 4y ago
  > Unsure what message you're implying or just sugar consumption in the US has declined more than 15% since 1999. I'm implying excess sugar consumption, including HFCS, is not the cause of the obesity epidemic. No one's telling you to eat it, though.
  - anenefan 4y ago
    One thing that is striking is those who have the means to eat well and more diverse foods seem to fare better weight wise, yet those who are poorer and have to rely on processed foods to make up the bulk of their diet as it's cheaper and affordable, where they can not avoid the added sugar with fructose derivatives, don't fare so well even if they try to add in better things to their diet to balance it like a small amount fruit and vegetables. I for one, noted first hand the very stark difference cutting down the fructose had, not just on weight, but how it modified my mood and appetite. In actual fact the one problem I had with my little self experiment was my diet got worse balance wise. There was no placebo effect to account for IMO, since trying for years on actively planning time to be very active did not help much, though my muscles were better for it, I had expected a mere change in removing fructose to be on a time scale of at best 10 months, and expected more likely if it worked at all, after a year I might be lucky enough to lose 10 kg (approx 20 pounds) ... instead on starting the low fructose diet, my mood notably improved in a week or so (I didn't think I had a mood issue - I am what I am, so that was unexpected,) and I didn't shed 10 kg but 25 kg in two or three months (I no longer recall the exact time frame) ... and while I did that I was no longer push bike riding where I might easily clock 100 km (60 miles) in a day but still moderately active but not that active. Seemed clear to me though a few people would not respond the same, but since I'm not unique, many would also fare similarly as well. The only issue was the tedious nature of introducing and staying true to ensuring that sugar consumed was far more glucose than what broke down into fructose, even though I still ate a small amount of processed food - most sugar was fortunately by way of hot drinks consumed during the day. To say it was actually something else in my case, equates to blaming eating a pie, a couple boiled whole potatoes or same ration of pumpkin pieces, 3 cups of milk per day for my weight problem back in my 20s ... I really wasn't eating very much, though sugar was powering my days.
    - exfatloss 4y ago
      Unfortunately I'm with the other guy here. I think reducing excess sugar consumption is necessary but not sufficient to get lean for some obese individuals like myself. When I started keto 7 years ago I lost 100lbs. Then I gained it all back - staying pretty strict keto the entire time. I haven't had what you'd call "processed food" or "sugary food" in nearly a decade if you exclude a small % of keto-style things like dark chocolate (85%). Now back down 45-50lbs (depends on how you count) and hopefully going to continue. But this time I cut out protein, too. It could be that both carbs and protein raise insulin enough to cause obesity in some people. Or maybe seed oils in even the tiniest doses. Those are my two main hypotheses: https://exfatloss.substack.com/p/hypotheses https://exfatloss.substack.com/p/hypotheses

anenefan 4y ago

Unsure what message you're implying or just sugar consumption in the US has declined more than 15% since 1999. Though similar decline is reflected at a couple other online areas [1] [2] I am however not going to research and quantify that ... besides I don't trust the big food industry to provide accurate figures, I'd only confidently trust a totally independent facility that confirmed overall sugar and easy to digest carbohydrate levels in each food item and average consumption by the population. Sugars like sucrose and HFCS rather than regular corn syrup, yield 50% and >42% fructose respectively. It's consumption in great quantity does not seem to have a major impact on some people, but certainly others are prone to the vast amount of fructose consumed. Harvard iirc showed how the extra fructose in diet corresponded to longer villi in the gut. Obviously there's other factors at play, but excess fructose consumption is nonetheless an obvious change in diet to what those earlier than 60 or 70 years ago. [1] https://www.healthyfoodamerica.org/sugartoolkit_overview_original https://www.healthyfoodamerica.org/sugartoolkit_overview_ori... [2] https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Sugar-consumption-in-the-US-The-black-line-is-sugar-from-cane-beet-and-corn-combined_fig19_283462716 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Sugar-consumption-in-the...

876978095789789 4y ago
> Unsure what message you're implying or just sugar consumption in the US has declined more than 15% since 1999. I'm implying excess sugar consumption, including HFCS, is not the cause of the obesity epidemic. No one's telling you to eat it, though.
- anenefan 4y ago
  One thing that is striking is those who have the means to eat well and more diverse foods seem to fare better weight wise, yet those who are poorer and have to rely on processed foods to make up the bulk of their diet as it's cheaper and affordable, where they can not avoid the added sugar with fructose derivatives, don't fare so well even if they try to add in better things to their diet to balance it like a small amount fruit and vegetables. I for one, noted first hand the very stark difference cutting down the fructose had, not just on weight, but how it modified my mood and appetite. In actual fact the one problem I had with my little self experiment was my diet got worse balance wise. There was no placebo effect to account for IMO, since trying for years on actively planning time to be very active did not help much, though my muscles were better for it, I had expected a mere change in removing fructose to be on a time scale of at best 10 months, and expected more likely if it worked at all, after a year I might be lucky enough to lose 10 kg (approx 20 pounds) ... instead on starting the low fructose diet, my mood notably improved in a week or so (I didn't think I had a mood issue - I am what I am, so that was unexpected,) and I didn't shed 10 kg but 25 kg in two or three months (I no longer recall the exact time frame) ... and while I did that I was no longer push bike riding where I might easily clock 100 km (60 miles) in a day but still moderately active but not that active. Seemed clear to me though a few people would not respond the same, but since I'm not unique, many would also fare similarly as well. The only issue was the tedious nature of introducing and staying true to ensuring that sugar consumed was far more glucose than what broke down into fructose, even though I still ate a small amount of processed food - most sugar was fortunately by way of hot drinks consumed during the day. To say it was actually something else in my case, equates to blaming eating a pie, a couple boiled whole potatoes or same ration of pumpkin pieces, 3 cups of milk per day for my weight problem back in my 20s ... I really wasn't eating very much, though sugar was powering my days.
  - exfatloss 4y ago
    Unfortunately I'm with the other guy here. I think reducing excess sugar consumption is necessary but not sufficient to get lean for some obese individuals like myself. When I started keto 7 years ago I lost 100lbs. Then I gained it all back - staying pretty strict keto the entire time. I haven't had what you'd call "processed food" or "sugary food" in nearly a decade if you exclude a small % of keto-style things like dark chocolate (85%). Now back down 45-50lbs (depends on how you count) and hopefully going to continue. But this time I cut out protein, too. It could be that both carbs and protein raise insulin enough to cause obesity in some people. Or maybe seed oils in even the tiniest doses. Those are my two main hypotheses: https://exfatloss.substack.com/p/hypotheses https://exfatloss.substack.com/p/hypotheses