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Yeah in my Michigan city we deal with sleet and snow every day for 4 months. You also bring up other valid concerns. Where are people supposed to park their bi

Yeah in my Michigan city we deal with sleet and snow every day for 4 months. You also bring up other valid concerns. Where are people supposed to park their bikes for work, or going into a grocery store? We have a big enough problem with regular manual powered bicycles getting stolen, what makes you think an e-bike that is 2-5x more expensive is going to be more secure?

seanmcdirmid 4y ago
Grand Rapids?
goosedragons 4y ago
2 parking spots is space for like what 20 bikes?
- giaour 4y ago
  In theory, yes, but it doesn't do you any good if no one's installed bike racks near your destination. I live in a pretty bike friendly suburb but I still have to drive to a destination and scope out the bike parking situation before I'll bike instead of drive
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
    > scope out the bike parking situation before I'll bike instead of drive Yet another thing to consider when I theorize rather than practice riding a bike in the city instead of driving.
iknowstuff 4y ago
Well in a place with shitty infrastructure you lock it to a pole. In a better place, there will be a bike rack which is 100x cheaper than a car parking spot. "Why Canadians Can't Bike in the Winter (but Finnish people can)": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU
panick21_ 4y ago
I used to live in a village of rural 4000 people and somehow that village managed to clear the snow in a timely matter. But I guess huge cities are unable to do so. > Where are people supposed to park their bikes for work, or going into a grocery store? You are joking right? American cities are full of car parking. Like literally absurdly full, to a point where most American cities are like 30% parking. Removing a single car parking space allows like 20 bikes. And even without that, finding 1 parking space worth of space to put up bikes isn't really much of an issue. If any fucking place in the world shouldn't ask 'where will people park' its the US.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  > most American cities are like 30% parking IIRC it's more like 5% surface parking lots, and 20% if you include street parking.
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    Beyond that there are also lots of parking garages in many cities that you also need to count. And some underground parking as well, just in case there wasn't enough parking. This also implies that there are lots of cities are far higher then 20%. And if you add street lanes (usually far, far to much) you have an absurdly absurd amount of space where you can put bike-lanes. Again, beyond a few very old cities, US cities can all easily accommodate waste bike lanes.
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      I agree, there's plenty of room for bike lanes. I've no interest in commuting by bike myself, but I 1000% support plenty of bike lanes and they need to be physically separated from the car lane. For everyone's sanity.
      - panick21_ 4y ago
        Me too. I dislike biking, I prefer walking and for longer distances public transit. But if I lived in Netherlands I would still use my bike quite a bit. But as a society biking is just a no-brainer any way you look at it.

seanmcdirmid 4y ago

Grand Rapids?

goosedragons 4y ago

2 parking spots is space for like what 20 bikes?

giaour 4y ago
In theory, yes, but it doesn't do you any good if no one's installed bike racks near your destination. I live in a pretty bike friendly suburb but I still have to drive to a destination and scope out the bike parking situation before I'll bike instead of drive
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
  > scope out the bike parking situation before I'll bike instead of drive Yet another thing to consider when I theorize rather than practice riding a bike in the city instead of driving.

iknowstuff 4y ago

Well in a place with shitty infrastructure you lock it to a pole. In a better place, there will be a bike rack which is 100x cheaper than a car parking spot. "Why Canadians Can't Bike in the Winter (but Finnish people can)": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU

panick21_ 4y ago

I used to live in a village of rural 4000 people and somehow that village managed to clear the snow in a timely matter. But I guess huge cities are unable to do so. > Where are people supposed to park their bikes for work, or going into a grocery store? You are joking right? American cities are full of car parking. Like literally absurdly full, to a point where most American cities are like 30% parking. Removing a single car parking space allows like 20 bikes. And even without that, finding 1 parking space worth of space to put up bikes isn't really much of an issue. If any fucking place in the world shouldn't ask 'where will people park' its the US.

rootusrootus 4y ago
> most American cities are like 30% parking IIRC it's more like 5% surface parking lots, and 20% if you include street parking.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Beyond that there are also lots of parking garages in many cities that you also need to count. And some underground parking as well, just in case there wasn't enough parking. This also implies that there are lots of cities are far higher then 20%. And if you add street lanes (usually far, far to much) you have an absurdly absurd amount of space where you can put bike-lanes. Again, beyond a few very old cities, US cities can all easily accommodate waste bike lanes.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    I agree, there's plenty of room for bike lanes. I've no interest in commuting by bike myself, but I 1000% support plenty of bike lanes and they need to be physically separated from the car lane. For everyone's sanity.
    - panick21_ 4y ago
      Me too. I dislike biking, I prefer walking and for longer distances public transit. But if I lived in Netherlands I would still use my bike quite a bit. But as a society biking is just a no-brainer any way you look at it.