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- CameronNemo 4y agoWhy is this any better than an ASRock DeskMini X300? AFAICT that option is cheaper and offers better storage options. They advertise coreboot support, but on specifications it says CoreBoot is coming soon. AFAIK Coreboot does not support Zen3 or any recent AMD CPUs. How will they be able to offer it?
- fbdab103 4y agoThat DeskMini is a pretty attractive option at ~$160 for the barebones kit. I wonder if you could undervolt things enough to be passively cooled.
- openmapsguy 4y agoLooks like Coreboot support for 5000 series landed recently: https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Open-Source-FW-2023 https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-Open-Source-FW-2023
- CameronNemo 4y agoThis is (very welcome) news to me. Hopefully Starlabs can actually bring it to market, because that would be a good differentiator.
- 1024core 4y ago"From $771.00" ...
- oblak 4y agoLooked somewhat exciting until I saw the following: "From €749,70 Excludes Duties and taxes. Excludes Delivery" That's a bit steep. I am all for OSS but comparable machines (even newer than Renoir) are considerably cheaper. I've been toying with the idea of grabbing a 5800u/H unit off AliExpress since Pis have been hard to get by, and kind of old and slow. There was a 5800H/16/512 for just 300 euro last weekend. Kind of regret not pulling the trigger on that one.
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- znpy 4y agoSoftware might be free, but hardware is not.
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- oneplane 4y agoIf only it came with 2x NBase-T or at least 2x2.5G...
- PietKachelhout 4y agoUsing USB-C for power is great! Smaller power supplies and no more non-standard connectors that are hard to replace.
- usrusr 4y agoTrue. If you have to sell with a cheap single voltage power adapter (instead of selling either completely without or with a more expensive USB PD one), you should at least have both inputs, the custom DC socket for your cheap wall-wart and a USB PD client for when the user wants to slim down the size of their power adapter zoo.
- kiwijamo 4y agoThat's why I'm surprised they only include one USB-C port. If you use that for power input can't use it for anything else. I expect machines released in 2023 to have at least two especially if it supports USB-C power input.
- grodriguez100 4y ago“From 762,30€“ here. So everyone is seeing a different price apparently. Not sure if this is a social experiment or a joke. Or both.
- playingalong 4y agoI guess it's calculated on the fly based on a live feed of currency rates
- grodriguez100 4y agoThis might very well be the case.
- mikae1 4y agoThey recognize your country of origin based on IP and calculates the correct VAT based on that. That's true for most stores in the EU. I see that you write in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35447307 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35447307 that the tax is not included. They state that “The price that you see includes estimated VAT. The exact amount will be calculated at checkout.” However, based on the other products in their store it is the same for me in the store and at checkout. Nothing fishy about this.
- layer8 4y agoDifferent tax rates based on country, probably.
- grodriguez100 4y agoPrice “excludes duties and taxes”
- geraneum 4y agoWhile we’re at it, maybe Minis Forum could be a good alternative, price wise. I am thinking about getting one of their devices suitable for home lab. P.S not affiliated, just curious. https://www.minisforum.com/ https://www.minisforum.com/
- kjs3 4y agoI have 2 Minis Forum Z83s. They are as limited as expected (no speed deamon, small memory and storage, etc). But they're quite useful within those limits, tech support was far better than I expected, and they're cheap enough to be basically disposable. Which is good, as one of them died basically right after it went out of warranty. The other one is going strong. YMMV.
- shmerl 4y agoIs it using the new Zen 4 + RDNA 3 APU? 2 HDMIs seems excessive. It would be better to have DisplayPort instead.
- sosodev 4y agoNo, it's a 5800u so it's Zen 3 + Radeon. Not even RDNA 2.
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- openmapsguy 4y agoFirmware updates for the BIOS, Embedded Controller and SSD are just a click away with the power of the LVFS. Pretty awesome to see this become more common.
- user_named 4y agoLooks nice but it's too bad they don't offer it with windows.
- bacchusracine 4y ago>windows Why would you want to make it less useful?
- tomxor 4y agoIt must be nostalgia over the fight of getting a Windows license refund.
- sosodev 4y agoIt says it can use USB-C for power delivery but the only USB-C port is on the front of the device. Makes it seem like they expect most people to power it via the barrel plug. Also, the APU used here is already fairly outdated for a mini PC. So I'm not sure what makes this valuable over the many other mini PC options.
- olyjohn 4y agoAlso I have noticed this trend where there is no audio output on the back. I don't want to connect my speakers to my monitor, or have a cable hanging off the front of the PC. A front port is convenient, but should not be the primary audio output.
- zamadatix 4y agoIf it weren't for headsets there probably wouldn't even be a jack on the front since most mini PCs are based on laptop hardware and not many run a separate analog jack to PC speakers these days to make it worthwhile.
- nebula8804 4y agoI bought one of those Minisforums Mini PCs with a Ryzen processor like two years ago, it now sits collecting dust. This M1 Mac mini that I use as my daily runs circles around it in every performance metric. I see this has open source firmware. Great. You will be giving up a lot with that chip compared to M1 though. Asashi Linux may not be 100% complete but I hear it is pretty good. Might warrant a consideration if you can run your software in the ARM world. In my mind there is just too much to give up when going back to such a legacy platform such as this one.
- hedora 4y agoI looked a bit at how AMD is doing vs. Apple. These current chips are all 65W TDP and up: https://www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen-for-creators# https://www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen-for-creators# (vs. the Byte Mini's 45W), but they mostly have base frequencies above 4.4GHz. One of the slower chips in the current lineup beats the M2 on absolute performance (with a higher TDP): https://versus.com/en/amd-ryzen-7-7700-vs-apple-m2 https://versus.com/en/amd-ryzen-7-7700-vs-apple-m2 It's per core speed is comparable, but it has twice as many cores. This old (2018) chip is 45W, but it's boost is only 4GHz: https://versus.com/en/amd-ryzen-7-2700e-vs-apple-m2 https://versus.com/en/amd-ryzen-7-2700e-vs-apple-m2 so that's a lower bound on the AMD side. It's about the same speed as the M2 when using all cores (half as fast per core). Assuming they're targeting something AMD just released, and not something 5 years old, and the "up to 4.4GHz" is talking about base frequency, not turbo, then I'd expect this to be extremely competitive with the M2 Mac Mini. (As it better be, since it seems to be more expensive than the Mac!) I wish they'd say what processors they are targeting.
- CameronNemo 4y agoOne thing Apple can't (or won't) compete on is price for RAM and storage. I have 32GB of RAM and 1 TB of storage, that cost me $200 total. The CPU and barebones mini pc (5600G, ASRock DeskMini) I bought are about $200 each. So $600 total. Meanwhile I can't even buy a base model M1 or M2 mac mini with 32 GB of RAM, and 24GB of RAM is $400. 1 TB of storage is another $400. The Mac option turns out to be roughly twice as much, for a pretty comparable system (including single core speed!). Even if I want more storage, I can have it for an extra $100 or so.
- threatofrain 4y agoAnyone have a case suggestion for a mini NAS build?
- chrismeller 4y agoI know, I know, it’s LTT, but I really loved the case in this NAS build they did recently: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=boKmZKTKXHc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=boKmZKTKXHc
- vamega 4y agoThe new N2 from that company also looks very interesting.
- x3iv130f 4y agoI have built two mini-ITX NAS units. One is a Jonsbo N1. The other a Jonsbo N2. Jonsbo N1 is a pretty good case if the only thing you care about is getting a a small footprint as you can stand the case vertically. Jonsbo N2 is a better more convenient case in a "cube" shape that feels smaller despite being similar in volume. One of my builds uses an AM4 motherboard with unregistered ECC. With AM4 motherboards you're limited to any "pro" AM4 cpu, four SATA3 ports, and 2.5 gbe. The other uses a used SuperMicro X10SDV-4C-TLN2F with registered ECC. With the Supermicro board you're stuck with an old integrated Xeon with insufficient cooling but get dual 10gbe ports and six SATA3 ports.
- mdmglr 4y agoOne can buy small form factor/mini pc’s with not the latest hardware but reasonably powerful hardware on eBay from it recyclers for 1/4 the price.
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