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also requires shifting away from the progressive agenda that has made so many cities unliveable: from bans on energy sources such natural gas and a refusal to c

also requires shifting away from the progressive agenda that has made so many cities unliveable: from bans on energy sources such natural gas and a refusal to crack down on crime to the usually miserable state of urban public education. I don't think the last of those is part of any progressive agenda. Probably the biggest factor in the deterioration of urban schools is white flight to those suburbs that Kotlin likes so much and the resulting loss of tax revenue. Edit: I don't see why people are getting so irritated at my using the term "white flight." As far as I can tell it's the only recognized shorthand for this demographic trend.

yamtaddle 4y ago
> I don't think the last of those is part of any progressive agenda. Especially since it's overwhelmingly due to failed social policy and our pathetic social safety net. Neither of which can really be laid at the feet of progressives (though, to some extent, is Democrats' fault! Disastrous '90s welfare reform was done with the support of Clinton and other dems, and they spent a long time supporting the also-disastrous drug war)
- kfofkrmdpshen 4y ago
  WIC, SNAP, Medicare, and Medicaid were supposed to end poverty. Why didn't they? Why does creating new programs in addition to these solve the problem of poverty when these programs failed? How much money needs to go towards welfare before it will achieve its goal, as a proportion of GDP? How can that money be distributed efficiently, and can you find historical examples of societies solving poverty? What about societies that tried to solve it?
  - rurp 4y ago
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- hahaxdxd123 4y ago
  I use the term "white flight", I'm apparently a dictator restricting freedom of movement. I come up with a new term, I'm a wokist who wants to destroy the English language. Why don't you just tell me what thoughts I'm allowed to express?
- eldritch_4ier 4y ago
  Have they not made themselves clear with all the talk about "celebrating fewer whites" in every part of society + "whiteness" itself being a scourge? Change "white" to black or jewish and the intentions are clear: it's not where you're living that upsets them, it's the "living" part.
- hellisothers 4y ago
  “White flight” is a term that means a specific thing, same for gentrification, neither are meant to represent ALL movement into or out of an area, that’s hyperbole.
tenpies 4y ago
> I don't think the last of those is part of any progressive agenda. At this point, "progressive" in the context of education means everything from a Montessori education, to the re-animated body of Paulo Freire teaching a critical pedagogy curriculum as he attempts to brain wash the next generation of Red Guards. Those are two vastly different things, yet they would both be called "progressive" in today's language. Also alarmingly, the people advocating for the latter are the most likely to dress in "progressive" clothes.
homonculus1 4y ago
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nonethewiser 4y ago
I think what he’s referring to is the tendency to lower the average result in favor of reducing disparity. Opposing school choice or the famous example of NYC getting rid of honors programs. To be fair, the article is not a criticism of the left. And someone on the left shouldn’t feel too defensive - virtually all major cities have liberal leadership. The source said of any failed policy is going to be a liberal policy.

yamtaddle 4y ago

> I don't think the last of those is part of any progressive agenda. Especially since it's overwhelmingly due to failed social policy and our pathetic social safety net. Neither of which can really be laid at the feet of progressives (though, to some extent, is Democrats' fault! Disastrous '90s welfare reform was done with the support of Clinton and other dems, and they spent a long time supporting the also-disastrous drug war)

kfofkrmdpshen 4y ago
WIC, SNAP, Medicare, and Medicaid were supposed to end poverty. Why didn't they? Why does creating new programs in addition to these solve the problem of poverty when these programs failed? How much money needs to go towards welfare before it will achieve its goal, as a proportion of GDP? How can that money be distributed efficiently, and can you find historical examples of societies solving poverty? What about societies that tried to solve it?
- rurp 4y ago
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kfkfofopf 4y ago

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hahaxdxd123 4y ago
I use the term "white flight", I'm apparently a dictator restricting freedom of movement. I come up with a new term, I'm a wokist who wants to destroy the English language. Why don't you just tell me what thoughts I'm allowed to express?
eldritch_4ier 4y ago
Have they not made themselves clear with all the talk about "celebrating fewer whites" in every part of society + "whiteness" itself being a scourge? Change "white" to black or jewish and the intentions are clear: it's not where you're living that upsets them, it's the "living" part.
hellisothers 4y ago
“White flight” is a term that means a specific thing, same for gentrification, neither are meant to represent ALL movement into or out of an area, that’s hyperbole.

tenpies 4y ago

> I don't think the last of those is part of any progressive agenda. At this point, "progressive" in the context of education means everything from a Montessori education, to the re-animated body of Paulo Freire teaching a critical pedagogy curriculum as he attempts to brain wash the next generation of Red Guards. Those are two vastly different things, yet they would both be called "progressive" in today's language. Also alarmingly, the people advocating for the latter are the most likely to dress in "progressive" clothes.

homonculus1 4y ago

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nonethewiser 4y ago

I think what he’s referring to is the tendency to lower the average result in favor of reducing disparity. Opposing school choice or the famous example of NYC getting rid of honors programs. To be fair, the article is not a criticism of the left. And someone on the left shouldn’t feel too defensive - virtually all major cities have liberal leadership. The source said of any failed policy is going to be a liberal policy.