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It's not a craftsmen's discussion. A craftsman picks the tools they feel the most comfortable with to get the job done. Sure, craftsmen like to discuss their t

by rickmb 15y ago

It's not a craftsmen's discussion. A craftsman picks the tools they feel the most comfortable with to get the job done. Sure, craftsmen like to discuss their tools, but as an open exchange about their experiences in order to learn from it, or maybe even simply out of professional curiosity. The whole "my stack is better than your stack", and the "PHP sucks" thing that is commonplace on HN, proggit and other forums is not a craftsmen's discussion. It's a juvenile playground pissing contest that has nothing to do with craftsmanship. By the way, anybody who thinks that real crafsmen typically use the "best" tools available has never seen neither an artist nor a plumber at work.

tluyben2 15y ago
<blink>By the way, anybody who thinks that real craftsmen typically use the "best" tools available has never seen neither an artist nor a plumber at work.</blink> Should go on top of proggit/hn (yes, including blinking tags :).
brendoncrawford 15y ago
By the way, anybody who thinks that real crafsmen typically use the "best" tools available has never seen neither an artist nor a plumber at work. You are correct that they do not pick the "best" tools, but they will deliberately choose the best tools for the job, as opposed to the most convenient tools to aquire and learn.
aGHz 15y ago
"It's a juvenile playground pissing contest that has nothing to do with craftsmanship." Sadly, you've got me there. There's rich conversation to be had on the topic though, could we come up with ways to make that surface out of the current swamp of language debates? Although they might not use them, they'll talk endlessly about them. I mention in another comment how I've witnessed very long discussions among my photography and cinema friends about the "nerdy" details of their work. But you're right, there's a lot less emotion than in our community :/

by rickmb 15y ago

tluyben2 15y ago

<blink>By the way, anybody who thinks that real craftsmen typically use the "best" tools available has never seen neither an artist nor a plumber at work.</blink> Should go on top of proggit/hn (yes, including blinking tags :).

brendoncrawford 15y ago

By the way, anybody who thinks that real crafsmen typically use the "best" tools available has never seen neither an artist nor a plumber at work. You are correct that they do not pick the "best" tools, but they will deliberately choose the best tools for the job, as opposed to the most convenient tools to aquire and learn.

aGHz 15y ago

"It's a juvenile playground pissing contest that has nothing to do with craftsmanship." Sadly, you've got me there. There's rich conversation to be had on the topic though, could we come up with ways to make that surface out of the current swamp of language debates? Although they might not use them, they'll talk endlessly about them. I mention in another comment how I've witnessed very long discussions among my photography and cinema friends about the "nerdy" details of their work. But you're right, there's a lot less emotion than in our community :/