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That relies on a functional and very-well-resourced police force. We're in a world where an increasing number of crimes have essentially been decriminalised du

That relies on a functional and very-well-resourced police force. We're in a world where an increasing number of crimes have essentially been decriminalised due to lack of police resources or due to politics, from minor drug offences to prolific shoplifting in certain parts of the world. Unfortunately, bike theft also seems to be one of those crimes that goes unpunished. Bike theft will never be a priority, as bikes are low-value thefts (compared to cars, or house burglaries), and bike theives are unlikely to hurt anyone, whereas car thieves might be very dangerous, if it's joyriding kids.

specialist 4y ago
Filed under believe-but-cannot-prove: Unsolved crimes remain unsolved because they just don't care. eg Rape kits go unprocessed. eg Won't do a query geofence cell phone activity to catch a theft ring. eg Preying on elderly is completely ignored, though would be trivial to investigate. (Money leaves a trail.) Whereas it's no hold's barred for public protests (face id, sting ray for cells). Any heterodox group is infiltrated and subverted (agitprop, agent provocateurs). -- There's got to be a better way. I keep thinking of Robert Peel's 9 Policing Principles: To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment. To recognize always that the power of the police to fulfill their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behavior, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect. To recognize always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing cooperation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws. To recognize always that the extent to which the cooperation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives. To seek and preserve public favor, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humor, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public cooperation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence. To recognize always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty. To recognize always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.
- softsound 4y ago
  Besides police having better community involvement, I'm sure a lot of places that need more police also in general need more community. If your needs are being met it's far more likely that less crime will happen. I'm not sure how things like this can happen, but some areas like Japan have pulled it off both culturally and with some safety nets. Of course no place will truly ever be crime free.
worldsayshi 4y ago
It seems to me that bike theives are also very hard to catch? Unless the bike is Geo tracked and the tracker is concealed.
- snozolli 4y ago
  I mean, if you take San Francisco for example, there were always old RVs parked under the 13th Street overpass, disassembling piles of bicycles. SF police just don't care at all about property crime. If you have to report a property crime for insurance purposes, they'll blame you. IMO, this directly fuels more and higher levels of crime. If you call them out specifically on bicycle theft, they'll just shrug and say that most bike owners don't record the frame serial number. If this is the case, state law should require that the serial number be submitted to a database upon purchase, but there are obviously incentives for bike shops to push back on this idea. That said, if you want to get a GPS tracker, the options have exploded in the last few years. They're now available concealed within normal looking taillights, or in a tubular form that can be dropped down the seat tube or inserted inside the handlebar.
  - specialist 4y ago
    But throw a trash bin thru a store front window and they'll care. They don't care about our property.

specialist 4y ago

Filed under believe-but-cannot-prove: Unsolved crimes remain unsolved because they just don't care. eg Rape kits go unprocessed. eg Won't do a query geofence cell phone activity to catch a theft ring. eg Preying on elderly is completely ignored, though would be trivial to investigate. (Money leaves a trail.) Whereas it's no hold's barred for public protests (face id, sting ray for cells). Any heterodox group is infiltrated and subverted (agitprop, agent provocateurs). -- There's got to be a better way. I keep thinking of Robert Peel's 9 Policing Principles: To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment. To recognize always that the power of the police to fulfill their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behavior, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect. To recognize always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of the willing cooperation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws. To recognize always that the extent to which the cooperation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives. To seek and preserve public favor, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustice of the substance of individual laws, by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing, by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humor, and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public cooperation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective. To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence. To recognize always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the State, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty. To recognize always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.

softsound 4y ago
Besides police having better community involvement, I'm sure a lot of places that need more police also in general need more community. If your needs are being met it's far more likely that less crime will happen. I'm not sure how things like this can happen, but some areas like Japan have pulled it off both culturally and with some safety nets. Of course no place will truly ever be crime free.

worldsayshi 4y ago

It seems to me that bike theives are also very hard to catch? Unless the bike is Geo tracked and the tracker is concealed.

snozolli 4y ago
I mean, if you take San Francisco for example, there were always old RVs parked under the 13th Street overpass, disassembling piles of bicycles. SF police just don't care at all about property crime. If you have to report a property crime for insurance purposes, they'll blame you. IMO, this directly fuels more and higher levels of crime. If you call them out specifically on bicycle theft, they'll just shrug and say that most bike owners don't record the frame serial number. If this is the case, state law should require that the serial number be submitted to a database upon purchase, but there are obviously incentives for bike shops to push back on this idea. That said, if you want to get a GPS tracker, the options have exploded in the last few years. They're now available concealed within normal looking taillights, or in a tubular form that can be dropped down the seat tube or inserted inside the handlebar.
- specialist 4y ago
  But throw a trash bin thru a store front window and they'll care. They don't care about our property.