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They're footing the bill for this whole operation. They provide the compute and storage and they're also so heavily invested in OpenAI after their recent $10B r

by bloppe 4y ago

They're footing the bill for this whole operation. They provide the compute and storage and they're also so heavily invested in OpenAI after their recent $10B round that they can't offload the costs. See my other comment on this post for a conservative cost estimate for each query.

chaxor 4y ago
It's not necessarily a bad move to get them back in the game after many years of being useless. Deepmind is one of only a few thin threads that may hold Google together in the coming years, but it really doesn't look good for them
Rastonbury 4y ago
It won't show up on their financials I reckon, they made equity investment into OpenAI - their P&L won't show on Microsoft's. If they have a sweetheart deal with MSFT, Azure revenues aren't going to change. Even if they built a new DC or bought a boatload of GPUs for OpenAI, it will get mixed into their massive Capex and they probably are using existing infrastructure
- unmole 4y ago
  They apparently got a lot of Azure credits and Microsoft isn't making any revenue from running OpenAI's workloads.
  - dekhn 4y ago
    The value to microsoft is in the marketing around a premier training company using their hardware... their actual hardware in this case is a bespoke supercomputer, but performance watchers like me are paying attention. From what I can tell, of the top 3 cloud providers, azure is doing the best work with high speed interconnects right now.
  - htss2013 4y ago
    But what are the workloads costing MSFT? If the credits are part of the acquisition deal, maybe they're considered capex not opex, and MSFT gets to amortize the credits' operating cost over decades. What is the true marginal cost to MSFT for gpt workloads anyway? As long as it's not bumping paying customers then it's what the cost of electricity?
  - dereg 4y ago
    Creating credits out of thin air is impossible as all financial transactions must be accounted for. In the case of Azure credits, they will appear as increased revenue on Microsoft's balance sheet. However, if Microsoft decides to price Azure services below cost as part of their agreement with OpenAI, their profit margins will be affected. I highly doubt that is the case because the alleviation of cost is in the form of credits. I would wager against comment 0 that said that this will materially affect earnings.
    - rvz 4y ago
      It will, hence the MSFT layoffs happening at the same time. People here wanted Google scale of operations and replacing Google with ChatGPT as their search engine. But it seems that some here have forgotten about the high availability requirements and incalculable operational costs of running a search engine. Google.com's availability is a very high barrier of serving in the multi-billions of searches a day. Azure has lots of experience in unreliability and running services at a massive loss whilst minting credits to compete on cost.
      - Rastonbury 4y ago
        You realise that openAI is just one customer of Azure, the second largest cloud provider in the world. How much revenue do you think they are forgoing? 50m is a rounding error there, their guidance for next quarters revenue has a range of a billion

by bloppe 4y ago

chaxor 4y ago

It's not necessarily a bad move to get them back in the game after many years of being useless. Deepmind is one of only a few thin threads that may hold Google together in the coming years, but it really doesn't look good for them

Rastonbury 4y ago

It won't show up on their financials I reckon, they made equity investment into OpenAI - their P&L won't show on Microsoft's. If they have a sweetheart deal with MSFT, Azure revenues aren't going to change. Even if they built a new DC or bought a boatload of GPUs for OpenAI, it will get mixed into their massive Capex and they probably are using existing infrastructure

unmole 4y ago
They apparently got a lot of Azure credits and Microsoft isn't making any revenue from running OpenAI's workloads.
- dekhn 4y ago
  The value to microsoft is in the marketing around a premier training company using their hardware... their actual hardware in this case is a bespoke supercomputer, but performance watchers like me are paying attention. From what I can tell, of the top 3 cloud providers, azure is doing the best work with high speed interconnects right now.
- htss2013 4y ago
  But what are the workloads costing MSFT? If the credits are part of the acquisition deal, maybe they're considered capex not opex, and MSFT gets to amortize the credits' operating cost over decades. What is the true marginal cost to MSFT for gpt workloads anyway? As long as it's not bumping paying customers then it's what the cost of electricity?
- dereg 4y ago
  Creating credits out of thin air is impossible as all financial transactions must be accounted for. In the case of Azure credits, they will appear as increased revenue on Microsoft's balance sheet. However, if Microsoft decides to price Azure services below cost as part of their agreement with OpenAI, their profit margins will be affected. I highly doubt that is the case because the alleviation of cost is in the form of credits. I would wager against comment 0 that said that this will materially affect earnings.
  - rvz 4y ago
    It will, hence the MSFT layoffs happening at the same time. People here wanted Google scale of operations and replacing Google with ChatGPT as their search engine. But it seems that some here have forgotten about the high availability requirements and incalculable operational costs of running a search engine. Google.com's availability is a very high barrier of serving in the multi-billions of searches a day. Azure has lots of experience in unreliability and running services at a massive loss whilst minting credits to compete on cost.
    - Rastonbury 4y ago
      You realise that openAI is just one customer of Azure, the second largest cloud provider in the world. How much revenue do you think they are forgoing? 50m is a rounding error there, their guidance for next quarters revenue has a range of a billion