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Just here to point out Florida's so-called "Don't say gay law" is also a "Don't say straight law". Penalties are the same for educators who discuss any kind of

Just here to point out Florida's so-called "Don't say gay law" is also a "Don't say straight law". Penalties are the same for educators who discuss any kind of sexuality with children through 3rd grade.

rootusrootus 3y ago
Wait a second, next you'll tell me that so-called "gay rights" laws are also "straight rights" laws. Penalties are the same for anyone who discriminates based on sexual preference.
soganess 3y ago
Well, since you asked, sure I'll bite. Sexuality is not "part of the equation" when saying you are married. Except when it comes to saying you are gay and married. IANAL, but it is almost like the law was written to disproportionately harm one group and not the other. But that would mean it is a "don't say gay" law after all. You can read the law as equally affects everyone, but that is simply false. Even if you really wanted to "well actually" the situation, I'd love for you to find a Florida da/judge/jury/whatever that would prosecute a straight, young, newly-married kindergarten teacher for have a picture of their family on their desk. In short, it is de jure anti-gay with a thin veneer of deniability. And even if you were willing to play along with that veneer it is still de facto anti-gay.
- yeetawayhn 3y ago
  >Sexuality is not "part of the equation" when saying you are married. Unless you say you are straight married.
  - soganess 3y ago
    When would you say that to a kid? Honestly. Odds are incredibly high the kid lives in a straight household. If you just say you are married, the child will understand that your family unit is like their family unit. Without some kind of prompting, how many kids have ever asked a teacher if they are straight? It is assumed. Assuming a gay Florida teacher was even willing to risk their job by placing a picture of their partner on their desk. Saying they are married in that situation would likely invite questions. And that is okay, kids should be able to ask questions! The default is transparent and socially accepted. All other configurations are visible, divergent, and sexualized.
    - yeetawayhn 3y ago
      >If you just say you are married, the child will understand that your family unit is like their family unit. Obviously not, since married encompasses more than that. If you are married to someone of the same gender or agender, then you are still married.
      - soganess 3y ago
        Obergefell v. Hodges happened in 2015. With the current make up of the supreme court, I wouldn't be shocked if it was reversed before 2025. Florida was one of the 14 states forced to recognized same-sex marriage as a result of Obergefell. 8 y/o is the age of a 3rd grader. Some of the very kids we are talking about are older than the precedent. While I wish it wasn't the case, that "obviously" is doing a lot of lifting.

rootusrootus 3y ago

Wait a second, next you'll tell me that so-called "gay rights" laws are also "straight rights" laws. Penalties are the same for anyone who discriminates based on sexual preference.

soganess 3y ago

Well, since you asked, sure I'll bite. Sexuality is not "part of the equation" when saying you are married. Except when it comes to saying you are gay and married. IANAL, but it is almost like the law was written to disproportionately harm one group and not the other. But that would mean it is a "don't say gay" law after all. You can read the law as equally affects everyone, but that is simply false. Even if you really wanted to "well actually" the situation, I'd love for you to find a Florida da/judge/jury/whatever that would prosecute a straight, young, newly-married kindergarten teacher for have a picture of their family on their desk. In short, it is de jure anti-gay with a thin veneer of deniability. And even if you were willing to play along with that veneer it is still de facto anti-gay.

yeetawayhn 3y ago
>Sexuality is not "part of the equation" when saying you are married. Unless you say you are straight married.
- soganess 3y ago
  When would you say that to a kid? Honestly. Odds are incredibly high the kid lives in a straight household. If you just say you are married, the child will understand that your family unit is like their family unit. Without some kind of prompting, how many kids have ever asked a teacher if they are straight? It is assumed. Assuming a gay Florida teacher was even willing to risk their job by placing a picture of their partner on their desk. Saying they are married in that situation would likely invite questions. And that is okay, kids should be able to ask questions! The default is transparent and socially accepted. All other configurations are visible, divergent, and sexualized.
  - yeetawayhn 3y ago
    >If you just say you are married, the child will understand that your family unit is like their family unit. Obviously not, since married encompasses more than that. If you are married to someone of the same gender or agender, then you are still married.
    - soganess 3y ago
      Obergefell v. Hodges happened in 2015. With the current make up of the supreme court, I wouldn't be shocked if it was reversed before 2025. Florida was one of the 14 states forced to recognized same-sex marriage as a result of Obergefell. 8 y/o is the age of a 3rd grader. Some of the very kids we are talking about are older than the precedent. While I wish it wasn't the case, that "obviously" is doing a lot of lifting.