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Apparently they've learned nothing from Meta's mistakes. They're for gaming and escape. Not for work, not for communication. This could be a huge market, but

Apparently they've learned nothing from Meta's mistakes. They're for gaming and escape. Not for work, not for communication. This could be a huge market, but Apple and Meta don't seem to understand that at the highest levels.

flangola7 4y ago
What do you mean by Meta mistakes? If you think they're neglecting their VR department I have news for you...
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aierou 4y ago
Let's not so eagerly prescribe the use of nascent technology.
batuhanicoz 4y ago
"Smart phones are for work and communication. Not for gaming and escape." could've been a credible statement before the iPhone. I'm not sure if their eventual products will be 'revolutionary' or 'magical' but considering Apple is pretty damn good at displays, creating new input paradigms and they make their own chip, it's possible we'll see something that's way better than everything on the market. It could make us re-think VR devices for non-productivity use cases. Or, it could just be a failed product. Time will tell.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
I'd love to use it just for work. I can take it off and walk away. They need to be good though.
wccrawford 4y ago
When I hear a huge company like Apple say that one of their products is for a specific thing, and not a much more lucrative thing that would have more users, I take it to mean that they know it's not good enough for the really lucrative thing. They're desperately trying to spin it to be for what it can handle, rather than what people want it to be for. Meta just screwed up. I can't imagine why they thought business would pay for access to the metaverse when they hadn't even gotten gamer buy-in yet. They had excellent gaming-capable products already, so I can't imagine what they were thinking by leaving out the cheap features that would make the new headset good for gaming, too.
BudaDude 4y ago
While I get what you are saying, keep in mind that Meta could have just done it wrong. Apple is really good at making products in areas where other companies haven't had much success. Example: - The iPad, Microsoft had its own tablet almost 10 years before the iPad. - There were even touch phones before the iPhone. - The Lisa/Mac picked up where IBM left off. IBM thought computers were not for the general public. Maybe what is missing with VR/AR communication(in the workplace or elsewhere) is the secret sauce that Apple does with its software and QA. Just my 2 cents.
entropea 4y ago
I agree about work, but they are definitely for communication. VRChat is very successful. I play thousands of hours of VR social apps every year and you couldn't get me to do remote work in one. It's my escape and out from the negatives and stresses of reality.
virtual_nikola 4y ago
Gaming vr is a small market for Apple and meta.

flangola7 4y ago

What do you mean by Meta mistakes? If you think they're neglecting their VR department I have news for you...

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aierou 4y ago

Let's not so eagerly prescribe the use of nascent technology.

batuhanicoz 4y ago

"Smart phones are for work and communication. Not for gaming and escape." could've been a credible statement before the iPhone. I'm not sure if their eventual products will be 'revolutionary' or 'magical' but considering Apple is pretty damn good at displays, creating new input paradigms and they make their own chip, it's possible we'll see something that's way better than everything on the market. It could make us re-think VR devices for non-productivity use cases. Or, it could just be a failed product. Time will tell.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

I'd love to use it just for work. I can take it off and walk away. They need to be good though.

wccrawford 4y ago

When I hear a huge company like Apple say that one of their products is for a specific thing, and not a much more lucrative thing that would have more users, I take it to mean that they know it's not good enough for the really lucrative thing. They're desperately trying to spin it to be for what it can handle, rather than what people want it to be for. Meta just screwed up. I can't imagine why they thought business would pay for access to the metaverse when they hadn't even gotten gamer buy-in yet. They had excellent gaming-capable products already, so I can't imagine what they were thinking by leaving out the cheap features that would make the new headset good for gaming, too.

BudaDude 4y ago

While I get what you are saying, keep in mind that Meta could have just done it wrong. Apple is really good at making products in areas where other companies haven't had much success. Example: - The iPad, Microsoft had its own tablet almost 10 years before the iPad. - There were even touch phones before the iPhone. - The Lisa/Mac picked up where IBM left off. IBM thought computers were not for the general public. Maybe what is missing with VR/AR communication(in the workplace or elsewhere) is the secret sauce that Apple does with its software and QA. Just my 2 cents.

entropea 4y ago

I agree about work, but they are definitely for communication. VRChat is very successful. I play thousands of hours of VR social apps every year and you couldn't get me to do remote work in one. It's my escape and out from the negatives and stresses of reality.

virtual_nikola 4y ago

Gaming vr is a small market for Apple and meta.