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That's frustrating though. Just put those folk on notice, fire them if they dont improve, or fire their managers if they cant fix the problem. baby, bathwater,

• next_xibalba 4y ago
  They are very aggressively doing just what you describe, too. It's not an either-or type of scenario.
  • dalyons 4y ago
    ok but that just re-asks the same question - if you remove the people-doing-nothing factor (by firing them) then what is the motivation for RTO?
    • hot_gril 4y ago
      I get the feeling that remote employees do less work in general, except for the few who really make an effort to stay connected and on top of stuff despite WFH. I've been guilty of this at times, and when I got back into gear, I noticed how slowly everyone else responded to stuff. It's not just a few people going AWOL and ruining it for everyone.
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      • SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
        Is people immediately responding to you a measure of the work they do? Does it seem productive they are interrupting whatever they were working on and losing their train of thought to answer your questions? I know my team has had the talk that Teams is an async communication method, and that we'll get back to each-other when we have spare brain cycles. The message is instant, but there's no expectation the response will be.
        • hot_gril 4y ago
          No, but I expect someone who has committed to a joint project to pay attention to code or design reviews and respond within a week. Which started happening less often.
          • SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
            If people are going AWOL for more than a week you need to start firing.
            • hot_gril 4y ago
              They're not AWOL, they just started being less responsive, missing more things, and generally talking less. Pretty often I'll have no idea what most of my teammates are doing. I know they're working on something is all.
              • SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
                Seems like that's a failure to set and enforce expectations.
              • jwestbury 4y ago
                Just as a counterpoint of anecdata, I saw more or less the opposite behaviour when I was at Dropbox during the pandemic -- I heard from my coworkers more than I ever did working in-office, and was better-connected to the work they were doing. I personally felt more productive, and most of my team seemed pretty productive. The downside is that a junior teammate was probably less effective than they could have been because of a lack of in-person mentoring -- their learning was slower than I would have expected in-office, but, then, that could be this particular person rather than remote work. I don't doubt your experience, to be clear -- I just mean to say that I think the situation is more complex than "people are less productive" or "people are more productive."
                • hot_gril 4y ago
      • dalyons 4y ago
        This is why I want to see the data though, I’m not that interested in “feelings” or anecdotes at this stage of the industry-wide discussion :)
        • hot_gril 4y ago
          There isn't really a measure of SWE productivity. Even granular things like individual promo are more based on what others say than on any stat (unless it's Twitter and they use LoC).
      • frumper 4y ago
        I feel like you overestimate how little people do in office.
      • hotpotamus 4y ago
        I did tons more work in 2021 when I was WFH the whole year. I built a shed and did several other large scale home improvement projects, mostly on my parents' properties. I liked to say that I was the highest paid day laborer in town. It helped keep me from going insane from being trapped at my desk at home for over a year. In early 2022 I found an in office job and it's been much better.