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There are lots of windows laptops with quality hardware. There are cheap ones too, but that's the whole point of choice.

crop_rotation 4y ago
There are but they do not compare to a mac. The point of choice for me is to be able to buy an integrated experience.
seanmcdirmid 4y ago
Then why don’t people buy those over apple products? If you change Apple into that, I would be sad because now you’ve taken away a choice I had before.
- rejectfinite 4y ago
  >Then why don’t people buy those over apple products? But they do lil bro/sis Lenovo Thinkpad, Dell Presicion/Latitude or HP Elitebook for companies aint cheap. Gaming laptops. Android phones, the top ones. etc
  - kkarakk 4y ago
    tbf none of those have maintained quality for as long as apple have. since iphone 1 apple has maintained a superlative quality of phone - nothing on android side comes anywhere close for the same amount of time. i prefer just being able to say "buy an iphone/macbook" whenever i think what has quality rather than having to research options for 3 hours on what's the current state of the art in tech.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      > rather than having to research options for 3 hours Right. Just buy a Macbook... Except, don't get the 12". That one was an overheating flop, should have never made it to market (nor the i9 16" Pro). Also, avoid the 2016-2019 ones with the butterfly keyboard. While you're at it, don't get the 13" Pro either, since it's a bit of a scam for the touchbar that wasn't that big of a hit. For all of these machines you'll want to upgrade them from the base memory to 16gb to make them last longer, and if you don't upgrade the storage then there's a good chance you'll only get single module speeds, which is significantly limited. Simple!
    - rejectfinite 4y ago
      There is a reason why https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ exists. Ive seen plenty of people buy a current Mac just for Apple to relesase something new 2 weeks later. Also, for phones atleast, Samsung Galaxy has been pretty consistent in quality.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  it's an interesting question (whether Apple's monopolistic behavior has produced any good), but entirely orthogonal to the underlying question, whether Apple is behaving monopolistically (they are).
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    Apple has a monopoly on Apple products, and even though there are plenty of non-Apple products to buy, they are behaving like a monopoly?
    - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
      yes, they are engaging in monopolistic behavior, which as mentioned above, does not require them to pass any particular threshold for being a monopoly society has decided that some behaviors are in and of themselves bad, whether or not said threshold of yours is surpassed (for example monopolistic behaviors)
      - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
        I just want to avoid going back to the time before Apple products were nice and relatively affordable, I hated buying a crappy Windows PC every other year and never being satisfied with it. Apple has transformed the entire industry twice in my lifetime, and I get really nervous when people say they should be forced to be just like another PC maker, and I should be forced to live again under a market that I absolutely loathed.
        ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        it's an interesting topic (whether Apple's monopolistic behavior has produced any good), but again, entirely orthogonal to the underlying question, whether Apple is behaving monopolistically (they are). in the amount equal to how much you like any such benefits, other people dislike the downsides of monopolistic behavior, so we decided that it's bad even if maybe some good comes with the bad

crop_rotation 4y ago

There are but they do not compare to a mac. The point of choice for me is to be able to buy an integrated experience.

seanmcdirmid 4y ago

Then why don’t people buy those over apple products? If you change Apple into that, I would be sad because now you’ve taken away a choice I had before.

rejectfinite 4y ago
>Then why don’t people buy those over apple products? But they do lil bro/sis Lenovo Thinkpad, Dell Presicion/Latitude or HP Elitebook for companies aint cheap. Gaming laptops. Android phones, the top ones. etc
- kkarakk 4y ago
  tbf none of those have maintained quality for as long as apple have. since iphone 1 apple has maintained a superlative quality of phone - nothing on android side comes anywhere close for the same amount of time. i prefer just being able to say "buy an iphone/macbook" whenever i think what has quality rather than having to research options for 3 hours on what's the current state of the art in tech.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    > rather than having to research options for 3 hours Right. Just buy a Macbook... Except, don't get the 12". That one was an overheating flop, should have never made it to market (nor the i9 16" Pro). Also, avoid the 2016-2019 ones with the butterfly keyboard. While you're at it, don't get the 13" Pro either, since it's a bit of a scam for the touchbar that wasn't that big of a hit. For all of these machines you'll want to upgrade them from the base memory to 16gb to make them last longer, and if you don't upgrade the storage then there's a good chance you'll only get single module speeds, which is significantly limited. Simple!
  - rejectfinite 4y ago
    There is a reason why https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ exists. Ive seen plenty of people buy a current Mac just for Apple to relesase something new 2 weeks later. Also, for phones atleast, Samsung Galaxy has been pretty consistent in quality.
ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
it's an interesting question (whether Apple's monopolistic behavior has produced any good), but entirely orthogonal to the underlying question, whether Apple is behaving monopolistically (they are).
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  Apple has a monopoly on Apple products, and even though there are plenty of non-Apple products to buy, they are behaving like a monopoly?
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    yes, they are engaging in monopolistic behavior, which as mentioned above, does not require them to pass any particular threshold for being a monopoly society has decided that some behaviors are in and of themselves bad, whether or not said threshold of yours is surpassed (for example monopolistic behaviors)
    - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
      I just want to avoid going back to the time before Apple products were nice and relatively affordable, I hated buying a crappy Windows PC every other year and never being satisfied with it. Apple has transformed the entire industry twice in my lifetime, and I get really nervous when people say they should be forced to be just like another PC maker, and I should be forced to live again under a market that I absolutely loathed.
      - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
        it's an interesting topic (whether Apple's monopolistic behavior has produced any good), but again, entirely orthogonal to the underlying question, whether Apple is behaving monopolistically (they are). in the amount equal to how much you like any such benefits, other people dislike the downsides of monopolistic behavior, so we decided that it's bad even if maybe some good comes with the bad