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Unfortunately this is also the source of all their monopolistic behavior. Apple hardware should be incentivized to make great hardware for any operating system

Unfortunately this is also the source of all their monopolistic behavior. Apple hardware should be incentivized to make great hardware for any operating system. Apple software should be incentivized to sell to many manufacturers and also to not obey apple hardware's demands for locks to prevent things like the replacement of batteries. Their union could be a great thing, but apple decided to use it to be a bunch of monopolists, so your break them up like all the others.

crop_rotation 4y ago
Great hardware for any OS sounds good in theory but not gonna happen in practice. When 10 hardware providers are supplying hardware for an OS, the hardware becomes a commodity, and the focus tends to go to cheapest for a given spec. You can see the same phenomenon in Windows and android hardware. If you supply a premium hardware for a premium price in a commodity market, you will just not have any market share. People buy apple hardware for the integrated experience. e.g. I am not gonna buy a Dell running macOS or a Mac running Windows11.
- bioemerl 4y ago
  There are lots of windows laptops with quality hardware. There are cheap ones too, but that's the whole point of choice.
  - crop_rotation 4y ago
    There are but they do not compare to a mac. The point of choice for me is to be able to buy an integrated experience.
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    Then why don’t people buy those over apple products? If you change Apple into that, I would be sad because now you’ve taken away a choice I had before.
    - rejectfinite 4y ago
      >Then why don’t people buy those over apple products? But they do lil bro/sis Lenovo Thinkpad, Dell Presicion/Latitude or HP Elitebook for companies aint cheap. Gaming laptops. Android phones, the top ones. etc
      - kkarakk 4y ago
        tbf none of those have maintained quality for as long as apple have. since iphone 1 apple has maintained a superlative quality of phone - nothing on android side comes anywhere close for the same amount of time. i prefer just being able to say "buy an iphone/macbook" whenever i think what has quality rather than having to research options for 3 hours on what's the current state of the art in tech.
        smoldesu 4y ago
        > rather than having to research options for 3 hours Right. Just buy a Macbook... Except, don't get the 12". That one was an overheating flop, should have never made it to market (nor the i9 16" Pro). Also, avoid the 2016-2019 ones with the butterfly keyboard. While you're at it, don't get the 13" Pro either, since it's a bit of a scam for the touchbar that wasn't that big of a hit. For all of these machines you'll want to upgrade them from the base memory to 16gb to make them last longer, and if you don't upgrade the storage then there's a good chance you'll only get single module speeds, which is significantly limited. Simple!
        rejectfinite 4y ago
        There is a reason why https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ exists. Ive seen plenty of people buy a current Mac just for Apple to relesase something new 2 weeks later. Also, for phones atleast, Samsung Galaxy has been pretty consistent in quality.
    - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
      it's an interesting question (whether Apple's monopolistic behavior has produced any good), but entirely orthogonal to the underlying question, whether Apple is behaving monopolistically (they are).
mynameisvlad 4y ago
> Unfortunately this is also the source of all their monopolistic behavior. How can you be showing “monopolistic behavior” when you’re neither the only player in the game, nor the biggest?
- bioemerl 4y ago
  If you want until they're the only player you're way way too late and huge damage has already been done.
  - mynameisvlad 4y ago
    That both doesn’t answer my question nor is it actually true. In fact, splits almost always happen when it’s actually a monopoly not some vague hand-wavy goal-shifting “monopolistic behaviors”.
    - bioemerl 4y ago
      Splits in general rarely if ever happen at all, let alone when they should. Our antitrust over the last few years is crazy lacking. Wouldn't you want the burst of innovation and competition before the five to ten years of status quo monopoly if you wait to act?
      - mynameisvlad 4y ago
        Cute strawman. That would also extend to practically every company out there unless we can somehow accurately predict the future.
  - namdnay 4y ago
    Apple's phone amrket share is 20%, one point above Samsung. They're no way near a monopoly
    - kelipso 4y ago
      Apple's US phone market share is 50% and definitely way higher in the high end phone market share.
nemothekid 4y ago
>Apple software should be incentivized to sell to many manufacturers and also to not obey apple hardware's demands for locks to prevent things like the replacement of batteries. Is there any money in writing operating systems? I don't see a world where people suddenly start paying for Operating Systems

crop_rotation 4y ago

Great hardware for any OS sounds good in theory but not gonna happen in practice. When 10 hardware providers are supplying hardware for an OS, the hardware becomes a commodity, and the focus tends to go to cheapest for a given spec. You can see the same phenomenon in Windows and android hardware. If you supply a premium hardware for a premium price in a commodity market, you will just not have any market share. People buy apple hardware for the integrated experience. e.g. I am not gonna buy a Dell running macOS or a Mac running Windows11.

bioemerl 4y ago
There are lots of windows laptops with quality hardware. There are cheap ones too, but that's the whole point of choice.
- crop_rotation 4y ago
  There are but they do not compare to a mac. The point of choice for me is to be able to buy an integrated experience.
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  Then why don’t people buy those over apple products? If you change Apple into that, I would be sad because now you’ve taken away a choice I had before.
  - rejectfinite 4y ago
    >Then why don’t people buy those over apple products? But they do lil bro/sis Lenovo Thinkpad, Dell Presicion/Latitude or HP Elitebook for companies aint cheap. Gaming laptops. Android phones, the top ones. etc
    - kkarakk 4y ago
      tbf none of those have maintained quality for as long as apple have. since iphone 1 apple has maintained a superlative quality of phone - nothing on android side comes anywhere close for the same amount of time. i prefer just being able to say "buy an iphone/macbook" whenever i think what has quality rather than having to research options for 3 hours on what's the current state of the art in tech.
      - smoldesu 4y ago
        > rather than having to research options for 3 hours Right. Just buy a Macbook... Except, don't get the 12". That one was an overheating flop, should have never made it to market (nor the i9 16" Pro). Also, avoid the 2016-2019 ones with the butterfly keyboard. While you're at it, don't get the 13" Pro either, since it's a bit of a scam for the touchbar that wasn't that big of a hit. For all of these machines you'll want to upgrade them from the base memory to 16gb to make them last longer, and if you don't upgrade the storage then there's a good chance you'll only get single module speeds, which is significantly limited. Simple!
      - rejectfinite 4y ago
        There is a reason why https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/ exists. Ive seen plenty of people buy a current Mac just for Apple to relesase something new 2 weeks later. Also, for phones atleast, Samsung Galaxy has been pretty consistent in quality.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    it's an interesting question (whether Apple's monopolistic behavior has produced any good), but entirely orthogonal to the underlying question, whether Apple is behaving monopolistically (they are).

mynameisvlad 4y ago

> Unfortunately this is also the source of all their monopolistic behavior. How can you be showing “monopolistic behavior” when you’re neither the only player in the game, nor the biggest?

bioemerl 4y ago
If you want until they're the only player you're way way too late and huge damage has already been done.
- mynameisvlad 4y ago
  That both doesn’t answer my question nor is it actually true. In fact, splits almost always happen when it’s actually a monopoly not some vague hand-wavy goal-shifting “monopolistic behaviors”.
  - bioemerl 4y ago
    Splits in general rarely if ever happen at all, let alone when they should. Our antitrust over the last few years is crazy lacking. Wouldn't you want the burst of innovation and competition before the five to ten years of status quo monopoly if you wait to act?
    - mynameisvlad 4y ago
      Cute strawman. That would also extend to practically every company out there unless we can somehow accurately predict the future.
- namdnay 4y ago
  Apple's phone amrket share is 20%, one point above Samsung. They're no way near a monopoly
  - kelipso 4y ago
    Apple's US phone market share is 50% and definitely way higher in the high end phone market share.

nemothekid 4y ago

>Apple software should be incentivized to sell to many manufacturers and also to not obey apple hardware's demands for locks to prevent things like the replacement of batteries. Is there any money in writing operating systems? I don't see a world where people suddenly start paying for Operating Systems