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It really isn't. Russia has gone backwards for a year now. There isn't a single parameter where things doesn't look bad for them. Sure the fog of war makes thin

by tokai 4y ago

It really isn't. Russia has gone backwards for a year now. There isn't a single parameter where things doesn't look bad for them. Sure the fog of war makes things somewhat unclear, but saying that its hard to gauge who is having the most trouble is nonsense for anyone following the conflict.

walkhour 4y ago
Rusia has been inching forwards for months. That's just a fact. Propaganda has got to you.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > Rusia has been inching forwards for months Emphasis on inches. Ukraine War Mapper [1] does a good job documenting the line of control. It's not a good look for what, until recently, looked like a dominating regional power. [1] https://twitter.com/war_mapper https://twitter.com/war_mapper
  - codedokode 4y ago
    Even if Russia is advancing 100 meters (300 feet) a day eventually it will reach the Western point of Ukraine unless something changes.
    - tokai 4y ago
      But Russia is not advancing 100 meters a day. Not even close.
    - kasey_junk 4y ago
      The man & materials bill they’ve already paid makes that impossible. This spring will show if they can change the current calculus but if not Russia is going to change the end game.
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      > if Russia is advancing 100 meters (300 feet) a day eventually it will reach the Western point of Ukraine unless something changes Something is changing every day as Russia's annual defence budget's worth of modern arms and training are deployed by Kyiv [1][2]. [1] https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_Russia
    - glogla 4y ago
      100 meters / days is 3.6 kilometers a year. To reach western point of Ukraine, Russians need to go about 1000 kilometers - so at 100 meters a day it would take them nice 277 years. Of course, they are going slower than that. And also, at the current rate of attrition, Russia will run out of Russians long, long before that.
      - codedokode 4y ago
        100 meters a day is 36.5 kilometers a year. So that's only 27 years.
- tokai 4y ago
  No propaganda has clearly gotten to you. Occupied Ukrainian territory peaked in march last year. This is a fact, there is nothing to argue. Russia's winter offensive is literally slower than a snails pace.
  - walkhour 4y ago
    Please quote the statement that I wrote that you think it's propaganda. I'll do the same: > Russia has gone backwards for a year now. This is false, Russia went backwards, and then went forwards. Maybe you meant to say "has gone backwards with respect to where it was last year". That is true.
    - tokai 4y ago
      Thank you for acknowledging what I wrote is true. When you have two interpretations of what someone write, and one is obviously true and the other is a strawman, please don't choose to argue against the false interpretation. It's against HN's guidelines.
      - walkhour 4y ago
        Your haven't quoted me, and your original statement is still false. Please write precisely, write what you mean, so others don't have to realize you actually mean something else than what you wrote
willcipriano 4y ago
> There isn't a single parameter where things doesn't look bad for them. In the media you are allowed to see.
- piva00 4y ago
  I'm so tired of this take. It just reads like a massive cop-out, a "you are misinformed, sheeple"-style of empty platitude trying to sound somewhat smart, or deep, or "more informed". One of the worst things I've seen happening in my lifetime is this transition to a post-modern, post-truth world. It's just exhausting that people feel it's ok to say "you are misinformed" in different ways, without ever providing a different proper source for information, a source where others could at least try to gauge if they're misinformed or not. It's simply a thug-of-war between people living different realities, both accusing the other side of falling to some propaganda without basis. Sorry for the rant, y'all, but this bullshit really grates, hard.
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    I'm sure there are zero positive signs for the Russians and they are all just idiots instead of your media claiming any they find are russian disinformation and not reporting on it. Same way the Taliban was one the ropes for two decades.
    - piva00 4y ago
      Or perhaps there's an issue with truthfulness coming from Russian sources that makes them an unreliable source for proper journalistic reporting? You aren't making your point clearer, you are just repeating "wake up, sheeple" with a different word salad...
      - willcipriano 4y ago
        Oh sure the Russians are lying their asses off, just like the Ukrainians and the US.

by tokai 4y ago

walkhour 4y ago

Rusia has been inching forwards for months. That's just a fact. Propaganda has got to you.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> Rusia has been inching forwards for months Emphasis on inches. Ukraine War Mapper [1] does a good job documenting the line of control. It's not a good look for what, until recently, looked like a dominating regional power. [1] https://twitter.com/war_mapper https://twitter.com/war_mapper
- codedokode 4y ago
  Even if Russia is advancing 100 meters (300 feet) a day eventually it will reach the Western point of Ukraine unless something changes.
  - tokai 4y ago
    But Russia is not advancing 100 meters a day. Not even close.
  - kasey_junk 4y ago
    The man & materials bill they’ve already paid makes that impossible. This spring will show if they can change the current calculus but if not Russia is going to change the end game.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > if Russia is advancing 100 meters (300 feet) a day eventually it will reach the Western point of Ukraine unless something changes Something is changing every day as Russia's annual defence budget's worth of modern arms and training are deployed by Kyiv [1][2]. [1] https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_Russia
  - glogla 4y ago
    100 meters / days is 3.6 kilometers a year. To reach western point of Ukraine, Russians need to go about 1000 kilometers - so at 100 meters a day it would take them nice 277 years. Of course, they are going slower than that. And also, at the current rate of attrition, Russia will run out of Russians long, long before that.
    - codedokode 4y ago
      100 meters a day is 36.5 kilometers a year. So that's only 27 years.
tokai 4y ago
No propaganda has clearly gotten to you. Occupied Ukrainian territory peaked in march last year. This is a fact, there is nothing to argue. Russia's winter offensive is literally slower than a snails pace.
- walkhour 4y ago
  Please quote the statement that I wrote that you think it's propaganda. I'll do the same: > Russia has gone backwards for a year now. This is false, Russia went backwards, and then went forwards. Maybe you meant to say "has gone backwards with respect to where it was last year". That is true.
  - tokai 4y ago
    Thank you for acknowledging what I wrote is true. When you have two interpretations of what someone write, and one is obviously true and the other is a strawman, please don't choose to argue against the false interpretation. It's against HN's guidelines.
    - walkhour 4y ago
      Your haven't quoted me, and your original statement is still false. Please write precisely, write what you mean, so others don't have to realize you actually mean something else than what you wrote

willcipriano 4y ago

> There isn't a single parameter where things doesn't look bad for them. In the media you are allowed to see.

piva00 4y ago
I'm so tired of this take. It just reads like a massive cop-out, a "you are misinformed, sheeple"-style of empty platitude trying to sound somewhat smart, or deep, or "more informed". One of the worst things I've seen happening in my lifetime is this transition to a post-modern, post-truth world. It's just exhausting that people feel it's ok to say "you are misinformed" in different ways, without ever providing a different proper source for information, a source where others could at least try to gauge if they're misinformed or not. It's simply a thug-of-war between people living different realities, both accusing the other side of falling to some propaganda without basis. Sorry for the rant, y'all, but this bullshit really grates, hard.
- willcipriano 4y ago
  I'm sure there are zero positive signs for the Russians and they are all just idiots instead of your media claiming any they find are russian disinformation and not reporting on it. Same way the Taliban was one the ropes for two decades.
  - piva00 4y ago
    Or perhaps there's an issue with truthfulness coming from Russian sources that makes them an unreliable source for proper journalistic reporting? You aren't making your point clearer, you are just repeating "wake up, sheeple" with a different word salad...
    - willcipriano 4y ago
      Oh sure the Russians are lying their asses off, just like the Ukrainians and the US.