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And that was just the install process. Soon you'll start using it and you'll quickly come to despise anything Windows-related. A good tangent is this absolutely

And that was just the install process. Soon you'll start using it and you'll quickly come to despise anything Windows-related. A good tangent is this absolutely marvelous video put out by the Microsoft Teams people, where they compare the performance of the "classic" version to the brand-new version. A sight to behold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7nnXej2K4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7nnXej2K4

oblio 4y ago
> Congratulations to the Microsoft Teams team on all their hard work! Maybe in a few years we won't have to watch Teams draw itself like a Windows 1.x application on contemporary hardware! Hilarious :-)))
- Aeolun 4y ago
  Maybe we can make a comparison with 2001 MSN messenger and it’s more or less instant appearance?
microtonal 4y ago
Oh wow, they unironically posted a video that a chat application takes 9 seconds to launch. What is wrong with computing?
- elihu 4y ago
  ...and they're congratulating themselves on having reduced the memory overhead of a chat app from ~1GB to ~500MB.
  - xmcqdpt2 4y ago
    I'm so glad we have modern computers with gigabytes of RAM so that we can do real-time chat. This app would have been impossible fifteen years ago when computers had only 1GB of RAM or less. Without modern hardware development we would still all be sending eachother long emails like it's 2006. /s
    - jodrellblank 4y ago
      Where was the chat app of fifteen years ago which could open Microsoft Word documents inside it, such that multiple people could have them open and be shared-editing the same file at the same time? Where was the chat app which could record the video call, add automated transcriptions, and upload it to a SharePoint-alike document store with permissions for the people on the call to watch it? Where was the chat app of fifteen years ago which was cross platform Windows/macOS/iOS/Android/Web browser including video calling?
      - LorenDB 4y ago
        I would imagine that fifteen years ago, nobody needed a document editor embedded in a chat app. In fact, today we don't need a document editor embedded in a chat app. As far as "automated transcriptions", they weren't necessarily practical fifteen years ago. And cross platform? Hello? There have been IRC clients for every platform since forever. And Matrix clients. And many other clients. In short: Teams is not all that revolutionary or even great.
        jodrellblank 4y ago
        > "And cross platform? Hello? There have been IRC clients for every platform since forever." Where's the fifteen year old IRC client which does hardware accelerated video chat from a web browser? > "In fact, today we don't need a document editor embedded in a chat app." What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Except we have evidence: given a choice of Teams or IRC, businesses choose Teams.
        egeozcan 4y ago
        Businesses chose Teams not because of anything listed in this thread of comments. Businesses also didn't choose IE because it's fast and had a lot of features. People chose Skype because it was fast and it just worked. It stopped being fast and people moved over.
      - strix_varius 4y ago
  - leonroy 4y ago
    For context running Slack with a medium sized company workspace: * Slack takes 6.5s to load on my 2021 Macbook. * Slack consumes 366MB of RAM - if I browse around that rises to 744MB of RAM. For the longest time Slack would kill my machine if colleagues posted gifs in messages. I'm no fan of Teams but I think there's plenty of shame to go around living in a world of eight core CPUs running large Electron apps.
egeozcan 4y ago
I really thought this was satire, at first. How low are the expectations from 2020s hardware?
- luckylion 4y ago
  Maybe they made the original Teams version terribly slow so that they can remove some sleep statements to get it down to 9 seconds for 2x faster startup, collect fat bonuses, do nothing for three years and then remove another sleep 5 and release Teams 3 to start in 4 seconds for another 2x start time improvement and another round of bonuses.

oblio 4y ago

> Congratulations to the Microsoft Teams team on all their hard work! Maybe in a few years we won't have to watch Teams draw itself like a Windows 1.x application on contemporary hardware! Hilarious :-)))

Aeolun 4y ago
Maybe we can make a comparison with 2001 MSN messenger and it’s more or less instant appearance?

microtonal 4y ago

Oh wow, they unironically posted a video that a chat application takes 9 seconds to launch. What is wrong with computing?

elihu 4y ago
...and they're congratulating themselves on having reduced the memory overhead of a chat app from ~1GB to ~500MB.
- xmcqdpt2 4y ago
  I'm so glad we have modern computers with gigabytes of RAM so that we can do real-time chat. This app would have been impossible fifteen years ago when computers had only 1GB of RAM or less. Without modern hardware development we would still all be sending eachother long emails like it's 2006. /s
  - jodrellblank 4y ago
    Where was the chat app of fifteen years ago which could open Microsoft Word documents inside it, such that multiple people could have them open and be shared-editing the same file at the same time? Where was the chat app which could record the video call, add automated transcriptions, and upload it to a SharePoint-alike document store with permissions for the people on the call to watch it? Where was the chat app of fifteen years ago which was cross platform Windows/macOS/iOS/Android/Web browser including video calling?
    - LorenDB 4y ago
      I would imagine that fifteen years ago, nobody needed a document editor embedded in a chat app. In fact, today we don't need a document editor embedded in a chat app. As far as "automated transcriptions", they weren't necessarily practical fifteen years ago. And cross platform? Hello? There have been IRC clients for every platform since forever. And Matrix clients. And many other clients. In short: Teams is not all that revolutionary or even great.
      - jodrellblank 4y ago
        > "And cross platform? Hello? There have been IRC clients for every platform since forever." Where's the fifteen year old IRC client which does hardware accelerated video chat from a web browser? > "In fact, today we don't need a document editor embedded in a chat app." What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Except we have evidence: given a choice of Teams or IRC, businesses choose Teams.
        egeozcan 4y ago
        Businesses chose Teams not because of anything listed in this thread of comments. Businesses also didn't choose IE because it's fast and had a lot of features. People chose Skype because it was fast and it just worked. It stopped being fast and people moved over.
    - strix_varius 4y ago
- leonroy 4y ago
  For context running Slack with a medium sized company workspace: * Slack takes 6.5s to load on my 2021 Macbook. * Slack consumes 366MB of RAM - if I browse around that rises to 744MB of RAM. For the longest time Slack would kill my machine if colleagues posted gifs in messages. I'm no fan of Teams but I think there's plenty of shame to go around living in a world of eight core CPUs running large Electron apps.

egeozcan 4y ago

I really thought this was satire, at first. How low are the expectations from 2020s hardware?

luckylion 4y ago
Maybe they made the original Teams version terribly slow so that they can remove some sleep statements to get it down to 9 seconds for 2x faster startup, collect fat bonuses, do nothing for three years and then remove another sleep 5 and release Teams 3 to start in 4 seconds for another 2x start time improvement and another round of bonuses.