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So that's a whole other debate (and I disagree), but even if you're right, getting rid of cars would be a gradual, multi-decade project. It's just not possible

So that's a whole other debate (and I disagree), but even if you're right, getting rid of cars would be a gradual, multi-decade project. It's just not possible to get around modern American cities without cars. You can't just abandon the city. These cities represent trillions of dollars of investment. Otoh, you could ban e-scooters tomorrow and after dramatically improving various urban areas, the biggest effect would be a few scooter companies going bankrupt.

pm90 4y ago
> It's just not possible to get around modern American cities without cars. Well but it is. Restricting/Eliminating cars in city centers especially would do wonders to promote them as places that people want to live in.
- yladiz 4y ago
  Too many American city centers aren’t really set up for non-car usage, so even if cars went away, people would need to walk pretty big distances to get to where they’re going. Modern American cities need to be fundamentally redesigned to support a car free or reduced system.
  - pcthrowaway 4y ago
    I realize you're talking about the current feasability of non-car transportation, which it sounds like we all agree leaves something to be desired. Banning new modes of transportation is really just going to reinforce the existing car-centric design of cities though.
kortilla 4y ago
> dramatically improving various urban areas That’s just in your opinion though. Scooters are super convenient if you’re not just an old fuddy dud afraid of new things.
- bombolo 4y ago
  It's so convenient having to lift them up and throw them out of the way all the time! /s And while everybody must pay for parking or public soil occupation… apparently these companies are exempt and can completely fill a sidewalk for free (of course people then have to walk on the bike lane).
pcthrowaway 4y ago
I don't actually want to get rid of cars, I was just pointing out how ridiculous your argument sounds. I want people to have options, and for large cities to promote less environmentally destructive modes of transportation that are also more accessible and take up less space. Yeah, maybe you see people leaving scooters on the sidewalks; I see shared use of public infrastructure that doesn't have to have large amounts of space dedicated for 'parking'
lmm 4y ago
> Otoh, you could ban e-scooters tomorrow and after dramatically improving various urban areas, the biggest effect would be a few scooter companies going bankrupt. There are probably already people who depend on them to get to work - and those people are probably far more marginalised and vulnerable than car drivers.
- anhner 4y ago
  At the prices these scooter sharing companies are asking these days, I'd hardly call the people dependent on them "marginalised"...
  - lmm 4y ago
    Compared to the price of a used car these days?
    - anhner 4y ago
      Where I live, it's more expensive than ride sharing (taxi or otherwise)
HPsquared 4y ago
Trouble is, the e-scooters are a pretty good replacement for private cars. Allowing them would facilitate a reduction in cars.

pm90 4y ago

> It's just not possible to get around modern American cities without cars. Well but it is. Restricting/Eliminating cars in city centers especially would do wonders to promote them as places that people want to live in.

yladiz 4y ago
Too many American city centers aren’t really set up for non-car usage, so even if cars went away, people would need to walk pretty big distances to get to where they’re going. Modern American cities need to be fundamentally redesigned to support a car free or reduced system.
- pcthrowaway 4y ago
  I realize you're talking about the current feasability of non-car transportation, which it sounds like we all agree leaves something to be desired. Banning new modes of transportation is really just going to reinforce the existing car-centric design of cities though.

kortilla 4y ago

> dramatically improving various urban areas That’s just in your opinion though. Scooters are super convenient if you’re not just an old fuddy dud afraid of new things.

bombolo 4y ago
It's so convenient having to lift them up and throw them out of the way all the time! /s And while everybody must pay for parking or public soil occupation… apparently these companies are exempt and can completely fill a sidewalk for free (of course people then have to walk on the bike lane).

pcthrowaway 4y ago

I don't actually want to get rid of cars, I was just pointing out how ridiculous your argument sounds. I want people to have options, and for large cities to promote less environmentally destructive modes of transportation that are also more accessible and take up less space. Yeah, maybe you see people leaving scooters on the sidewalks; I see shared use of public infrastructure that doesn't have to have large amounts of space dedicated for 'parking'

lmm 4y ago

> Otoh, you could ban e-scooters tomorrow and after dramatically improving various urban areas, the biggest effect would be a few scooter companies going bankrupt. There are probably already people who depend on them to get to work - and those people are probably far more marginalised and vulnerable than car drivers.

anhner 4y ago
At the prices these scooter sharing companies are asking these days, I'd hardly call the people dependent on them "marginalised"...
- lmm 4y ago
  Compared to the price of a used car these days?
  - anhner 4y ago
    Where I live, it's more expensive than ride sharing (taxi or otherwise)

HPsquared 4y ago

Trouble is, the e-scooters are a pretty good replacement for private cars. Allowing them would facilitate a reduction in cars.