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They awarded Obama a Nobel before he ever had a chance to do anything. There is a whole magic negro thing going on with Europeans intent on demonstrating that t

They awarded Obama a Nobel before he ever had a chance to do anything. There is a whole magic negro thing going on with Europeans intent on demonstrating that they aren't bigots. Right until the point they have brown immigrants entering their own country.

tpmx 4y ago
> They awarded Obama a Nobel before he ever had a chance to do anything. That one was the celebrity-hungry Norwegian Nobel Committee's fault. They award the peace prize.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
  Obama got a reception like he was the Pope on his first European trip. It spans more than just the Nobel committee.
  - arlort 4y ago
    That's got more to do with Bush than anything else
  - sobkas 4y ago
    > Obama got a reception like he was the Pope on his first European trip. It spans more than just the Nobel committee. First not being Bush wrote a lot of checks he couldn't cash. People believed for some reason that he was leftist, and later discovered how much to the right, American "left" is. And American media also distorted a bit what was actually happening. Neither democratic nor republican media would show their beloved leaders(you can guess which media support which president) in bad light.
    - giobox 4y ago
      > People believed for some reason that he was leftist, and later discovered how much to the right, American "left" is. What nonsense. That US Democratic Party politics often leans more right than many popular European parties on the left is not some modern post-Obama discovery, and was widely understood long before Obama's presidency. Literally read any political memoir or history by a left-leaning European politician who interacted with the US and Democratic party leadership prior to Obama and you will pick up a sense of this. I can accept arguments Obama may have been treated with much more interest and excitement than perhaps he warranted in European media at that time, but I see little evidence this was because his politics were misunderstood - Obama's policy positions were generally easy to articulate. I think a simpler explanation might well lie in the obvious historic nature of the event; he was the first black man to hold the office, and the first Democratic president after two terms of Bush. These facts alone are "newsworthy" by the standards of modern media. "leftist" is an absolutely terrible classification to use in any debate about politics, given its generally only ever used reductively and is almost devoid of any actual meaning.
      - blahedo 4y ago
        But even here in the US, on both the left and the right, Obama was frequently painted as much more leftist than he ever ever actually was or claimed to be. Wishful thinking on both sides, I guess. Europeans that weren't following US politics exceedingly closely could be forgiven for being surprised at Obama's more-centre-right-than-expected policies even if they knew in general that the US Dems would be comfortable among the centre-right parties of Europe.
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beaned 4y ago
I dunno, have you been to any of the major western European cities in the last 15 years? They're pretty brown now. At least these cities seem to greatly favor immigration.
- Aeolun 4y ago
  I wouldn’t say they favor immigration, but they’re dealing with it as gracefully as possible, under the circumstances.
  - schnitzelstoat 4y ago
    But they voted for the politicians that adopted those immigration policies - it doesn't happen by itself.
    - revelio 4y ago
      Those policies aren't actually popular though. They were were forced by the EU, other pan-European NGOs and a political class that has things nicely sewn up (i.e. if the major parties agree then you have nobody to vote for). Europe has a democratic deficit that gets airbrushed out a lot of the time. The UK had to leave the entire thing to try and get immigration under control and have still totally failed - they can't even deport illegal immigrants because the EU Court of Human Rights decided that deportation is against human rights. So now maybe the UK has to leave that too except, ah ha, supporters of that system wrote membership into various other agreements and so on. Same way it's always done in Europe. Everything is made to depend on everything else as a way to disempower the electorate.
      - b3orn 4y ago
        The EU doesn't have a Court of Human Rights, that's an institution of the Council of Europe, which is unrelated to the EU.
        revelio 4y ago

tpmx 4y ago

> They awarded Obama a Nobel before he ever had a chance to do anything. That one was the celebrity-hungry Norwegian Nobel Committee's fault. They award the peace prize.

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
Obama got a reception like he was the Pope on his first European trip. It spans more than just the Nobel committee.
- arlort 4y ago
  That's got more to do with Bush than anything else
- sobkas 4y ago
  > Obama got a reception like he was the Pope on his first European trip. It spans more than just the Nobel committee. First not being Bush wrote a lot of checks he couldn't cash. People believed for some reason that he was leftist, and later discovered how much to the right, American "left" is. And American media also distorted a bit what was actually happening. Neither democratic nor republican media would show their beloved leaders(you can guess which media support which president) in bad light.
  - giobox 4y ago
    > People believed for some reason that he was leftist, and later discovered how much to the right, American "left" is. What nonsense. That US Democratic Party politics often leans more right than many popular European parties on the left is not some modern post-Obama discovery, and was widely understood long before Obama's presidency. Literally read any political memoir or history by a left-leaning European politician who interacted with the US and Democratic party leadership prior to Obama and you will pick up a sense of this. I can accept arguments Obama may have been treated with much more interest and excitement than perhaps he warranted in European media at that time, but I see little evidence this was because his politics were misunderstood - Obama's policy positions were generally easy to articulate. I think a simpler explanation might well lie in the obvious historic nature of the event; he was the first black man to hold the office, and the first Democratic president after two terms of Bush. These facts alone are "newsworthy" by the standards of modern media. "leftist" is an absolutely terrible classification to use in any debate about politics, given its generally only ever used reductively and is almost devoid of any actual meaning.
    - blahedo 4y ago
      But even here in the US, on both the left and the right, Obama was frequently painted as much more leftist than he ever ever actually was or claimed to be. Wishful thinking on both sides, I guess. Europeans that weren't following US politics exceedingly closely could be forgiven for being surprised at Obama's more-centre-right-than-expected policies even if they knew in general that the US Dems would be comfortable among the centre-right parties of Europe.
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beaned 4y ago

I dunno, have you been to any of the major western European cities in the last 15 years? They're pretty brown now. At least these cities seem to greatly favor immigration.

Aeolun 4y ago
I wouldn’t say they favor immigration, but they’re dealing with it as gracefully as possible, under the circumstances.
- schnitzelstoat 4y ago
  But they voted for the politicians that adopted those immigration policies - it doesn't happen by itself.
  - revelio 4y ago
    Those policies aren't actually popular though. They were were forced by the EU, other pan-European NGOs and a political class that has things nicely sewn up (i.e. if the major parties agree then you have nobody to vote for). Europe has a democratic deficit that gets airbrushed out a lot of the time. The UK had to leave the entire thing to try and get immigration under control and have still totally failed - they can't even deport illegal immigrants because the EU Court of Human Rights decided that deportation is against human rights. So now maybe the UK has to leave that too except, ah ha, supporters of that system wrote membership into various other agreements and so on. Same way it's always done in Europe. Everything is made to depend on everything else as a way to disempower the electorate.
    - b3orn 4y ago
      The EU doesn't have a Court of Human Rights, that's an institution of the Council of Europe, which is unrelated to the EU.
      - revelio 4y ago