> Mautrix/WhatsApp I'm sorry, but that's not a good example. It doesn't even count as a legitimate client. > Which is? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking

> Mautrix/WhatsApp I'm sorry, but that's not a good example. It doesn't even count as a legitimate client. > Which is? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Telegram_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Telegram_in_Russia https://hongkongfp.com/2020/07/05/exclusive-telegram-to-temporarily-refuse-data-requests-from-hong-kong-courts-amid-security-law-terrorism-row/ https://hongkongfp.com/2020/07/05/exclusive-telegram-to-temp... https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3yavb/russia-blocks-telegram https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3yavb/russia-blocks-telegra... https://sensortower.com/blog/hong-kong-protests-app-downloads https://sensortower.com/blog/hong-kong-protests-app-download... > With Telegram you have a guarantee that it is not E2EE in group chats and single chats if you don't opt into a way worse UX/features. You're saying this as if you have a guarantee that WhatsApp's E2EE is 100% correct. At least with Telegram, I know what data the app is collecting, where it's going and how it's being stored on the device. > True for Whatsapp as well, it's funded by business accounts and perhaps other parts of facebook Assumption again.