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> As we head towards Manifest V3 migration, we are intently monitoring comments from the developer community to help inform our timelines. Here's some feedback

> As we head towards Manifest V3 migration, we are intently monitoring comments from the developer community to help inform our timelines. Here's some feedback: If uBlock Origin loses full control over what gets loaded and what not, I will immediately uninstall Chrome from all my and my family's devices and switch back to Firefox, after a decade of using Chrome as the main browser. I will then also recommend the exclusive use of Firefox. Why not offer MV2 and MV3 in parallel, where MV2 is a per-extension opt-in with a prominent security warning during opt-in?

kej 4y ago
You can just do this anyway, you know. Firefox is pretty great these days.
- judge2020 4y ago
  Especially on macs
  - darreninthenet 4y ago
    I found it's lack of support for native functionality in MacOS too irritating (eg doesn't support system wide autocomplete - so my @@ shortcut that puts my email address in doesn't work in FF - I know I could put it in again in FF but it's annoying it just doesn't work) so I went back to Chrome in the end. I was using Edge for a while but the absolute car crash their UI has become - and can't be configured - sent me running screaming for the hills. Edit - and don't get me started on the massive slowdowns once I have more than a handful of tabs open.
    - nozzlegear 4y ago
      My biggest complaint with Firefox on macOS is the lack of support for native picture-in-picture. They implement their own version that doesn’t stay visible when you swap between the virtual desktops; won’t overlay on top of full screen applications; and can’t be moved across monitors (iirc) either.
      - darreninthenet 4y ago
        Now that's weird as PIP in FF always worked fine for me - including swapping between desktops and full screen. In fact I thought PIP in Chrome wasn't as well implemented as took several more clicks to activate. Can't comment about monitors as I don't use a multi monitor setup on my Mac.
        nozzlegear 4y ago
        Your experience made me curious, I had to check and it looks like you're right – it does work between desktops and full screens. In fact it even works between monitors. Don't know why I thought it was in such a bad state, but I'm glad you replied. Cheers!
- miohtama 4y ago
  Also it would be healthy for the web ecosystem overall if users, especially power users, would use less Chrome. Any excuse to uninstall Chrome is a good excuse.
  - LadyCailin 4y ago
    I have to use either edge or chrome for work, so keeping a consistent ecosystem for home too works well. I can’t recall why FF couldn’t be used. Windows Hello, maybe? Anyways, when I checked 3 or so years ago, it was a conscious decision on FF’s part to not support an absolutely critical feature. Not having Adblock would be enough reason for me to want to juggle two browsers, but FF is simply not a desirable option right now, as much as I would love for it to be.
  - arcanemachiner 4y ago
    Or at least change their user agent to skew the statistics. :/
    - danielheath 4y ago
      Statistics come from google analytics, which most Firefox users block. When I compare stats from my webservers with GA, it’s clear that either bots overwhelmingly prefer Firefox UAs, or it’s underrepresented in GA stats.
      - eli 4y ago
        If the Firefox version is more than a year old, it’s a bot.
        IIsi50MHz 4y ago
        Or, the first time I've booted this computer in >1 yr.
        eli 4y ago
        I’d really discourage browsing random websites with a browser that is years out of date.
- sgtfrankieboy 4y ago
  Switched to Firefox for like 6-12 months, eventually moved back to Edge a couple of weeks ago. Had to open it constantly anyways. I couldn't get used to Firefox's DevTools and the JSON viewer in Firefox is bad compared to the JSON Formatter chrome extension.
  - capitainenemo 4y ago
    Huh. I'm rather surprised you're comparing the out of the box firefox json formatting (rather good compared to chrome's non-existent formatter) to an extension. Are there no JSON formatting extensions for firefox?
    - 20after4 4y ago
      I used an extension a while ago, however, it became unnecessary once the built in json view was implemented. Not sure if it's still around or whether it offers any advantage over the built in feature.
    - sgtfrankieboy 4y ago
      Couldn't find any that were on the same level as the one I use with Edge.
  - madeofpalk 4y ago
    Well, Firefox's default JSON view is miles better than Chrome's JSON view.
- xchkr1337 4y ago
  I wish Mozilla focused more on Linux support. I tried switching to Firefox multiple times, and in day-to-day use I always keep running into unfixable problems like bad font rendering, slow webgl performance, ui glitches etc. Problems like this never happen when I'm using Firefox on Windows, and honestly the state of Firefox on Linux is kind of surprising since it's the most commonly recommended and preinstalled browser on Linux distros. Right now I'm using Chromium but I'd be eager to switch if there was anything better which could provide me with a fast and stable browsing experience.
  - 20after4 4y ago
    I'm using Firefox on Linux¹ and I have experienced none of those problems. Although I'm not particularly happy with the direction that Mozilla has been headed, Firefox is certainly a vast improvement over Chrome or even Chromium. 1. Latest version of Firefox (not ESR), Latest Debian, both Intel & AMD graphics. I can't speak for NVIDIA graphics on Linux as I gave up on NVIDIA a few years ago.
    - 20after4 4y ago
      Admittedly there were a few issues in the past, just nothing in the last couple of years that I can think of.
      - kgwxd 4y ago
        I was on Linux for about 10 years without a single issues with Firefox until it was turned into a snap package. Slow as hell startup times and other oddities. Removed that and installed from apt and it was back to perfectly stable. Font rendering was always different but I wouldn't say worse. In fact, now that I'm fully back on Windows, the font rendering on Linux is the only thing I really miss. Windows seems a bit blurry in comparison.
    - i_love_cookies 4y ago
      It depends on how Firefox was installed, snap and flatpaks are becoming the default for firefox on a few distros every variant of each that I've tried has those issues I usually have to download the developer edition from the website and setup a desktop entry for decent performance
- jjav 4y ago
  > You can just do this anyway, you know. Firefox is pretty great these days. Agree to that. Chrome might delay cutting off user control of web content but in the end they will push through what is best for google, in other words what is best for advertisers, in other words what's worst for me. As a public for-profit advertising company, they can't really do anything else. Firefox rocks!
- eastbound 4y ago
  Firefox is so spammy and not better for privacy. It opens tabs all the time to advertise how much that big browser is taking care of your privacy, while begging for your email to upload your passwords to their server so you can [place minor feature here] reopen a tab on your desktop. How do I know this? I use Firefox for porn on mobile, therefore didn’t connect it to ANY of my Google accounts, anything, blank state Firefox, imagine my happiness when PornHub greets me with “Hello [NAME] [SURNAME], would you like to sign-in with that Gmail account that you also happen to use for work?” This single datapoint absolutely proves that Mozilla’s care for privacy is a legend. Like saying “A honest politician.”
jbverschoor 4y ago
Same..
jraph 4y ago
uBlock Origin already has less control in Chrome than in Firefox. https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...
- charcircuit 4y ago
  That list is outdated. For example Chrome supports cname uncloaking.
  - rasz 4y ago
    "Chrome now handles CNAME aliases _internally_" https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1063095 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=106309... aka extensions still dont see it
noman-land 4y ago
Why would you wait for this one single thing when you have had so many historical reasons to choose Firefox over Google already? Why wait for Google to piss you off for the thousandth time when 999 times is plenty?
- loeg 4y ago
  This is probably the only actual thing I care about in a browser, at least between Firefox and Chrome. That and 1password.
  - noman-land 4y ago
    That's totally fair. Among other things, I care about supporting a foundation that supports open source rather than an infinitely monied, privacy eroding advertising conglomerate.
- suddenclarity 4y ago
  I don't have any other major issues with Chrome and I've developed several plugins for it that I regularly use. Is Firefox better nowadays because when I left it, Chrome just seemed better in most ways. Firefox felt like an outdated (design) memory hog.
  - noman-land 4y ago
    I don't know when the last time you used Firefox but the answer to your question will always be yes. It's been steadily getting better for many years now. I think it's better than Chrome not just for philosophical reasons but also on the merits. I encourage you to check it out again if you haven't in a few years. There's been some pretty major changes. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/introducing-firefox-quantum/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/introducing-firefox-quan...
jacooper 4y ago
Switch to brave, a browser that unlike firefox has privacy actually by default.
- suddenclarity 4y ago
  A browser that injected affiliate links and is pushing crypto. I'm not sure if Brave is the solution.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    No longer does any of this.
qbasic_forever 4y ago
Just switch now, I dumped Chrome two years ago and haven't looked back. Firefox is great, and you can even use it on mobile--with ublock!
adithyassekhar 4y ago
If anyone from Mozilla is reading, I want to switch to Firefox. But I used to have a Firefox account with 2fa and lost my backup keys. The best part they won't even let me delete that account and start new even if I sent a mail from that same email account. I don't want to create another Gmail account just for Firefox.
- vbernat 4y ago
  Add a dot somewhere in the user part of the address. This looks like a new address but it is not.
  - adithyassekhar 4y ago
    Thank you, I didn't knew you could do that to create new accounts.
  - reitanqild 4y ago
    Or, if you already have a dot, remove it. i.e. Gmail treats example@gmail.com the same as exam.ple@gmail.com or ex.amp.le@gmail.com
  - thiht 4y ago
    Another trick is to use @googlemail.com instead of @gmail.com
phailhaus 4y ago
Because honestly, there's not that many people like you. They know this.
pieter_mj 4y ago
MV2 uBlock Origin is already borked in Chrome, it can't uncloak CNAME-masked network requests.
1827162 4y ago
If they limit our ability to block ads in general, I am going to dramatically reduce my Internet usage even more than I am doing now. The Internet is bad enough already as a platform for enabling mass surveillance and social control. Time to start doing more offline things, such as experimenting with AI on my local computer. To you fascists at GCHQ and other government "thought police" agencies, try stopping that now... Especially a mass movement where many people decide to pull the plug, in the name of intellectual freedom.

kej 4y ago

You can just do this anyway, you know. Firefox is pretty great these days.

judge2020 4y ago
Especially on macs
- darreninthenet 4y ago
  I found it's lack of support for native functionality in MacOS too irritating (eg doesn't support system wide autocomplete - so my @@ shortcut that puts my email address in doesn't work in FF - I know I could put it in again in FF but it's annoying it just doesn't work) so I went back to Chrome in the end. I was using Edge for a while but the absolute car crash their UI has become - and can't be configured - sent me running screaming for the hills. Edit - and don't get me started on the massive slowdowns once I have more than a handful of tabs open.
  - nozzlegear 4y ago
    My biggest complaint with Firefox on macOS is the lack of support for native picture-in-picture. They implement their own version that doesn’t stay visible when you swap between the virtual desktops; won’t overlay on top of full screen applications; and can’t be moved across monitors (iirc) either.
    - darreninthenet 4y ago
      Now that's weird as PIP in FF always worked fine for me - including swapping between desktops and full screen. In fact I thought PIP in Chrome wasn't as well implemented as took several more clicks to activate. Can't comment about monitors as I don't use a multi monitor setup on my Mac.
      - nozzlegear 4y ago
        Your experience made me curious, I had to check and it looks like you're right – it does work between desktops and full screens. In fact it even works between monitors. Don't know why I thought it was in such a bad state, but I'm glad you replied. Cheers!
miohtama 4y ago
Also it would be healthy for the web ecosystem overall if users, especially power users, would use less Chrome. Any excuse to uninstall Chrome is a good excuse.
- LadyCailin 4y ago
  I have to use either edge or chrome for work, so keeping a consistent ecosystem for home too works well. I can’t recall why FF couldn’t be used. Windows Hello, maybe? Anyways, when I checked 3 or so years ago, it was a conscious decision on FF’s part to not support an absolutely critical feature. Not having Adblock would be enough reason for me to want to juggle two browsers, but FF is simply not a desirable option right now, as much as I would love for it to be.
- arcanemachiner 4y ago
  Or at least change their user agent to skew the statistics. :/
  - danielheath 4y ago
    Statistics come from google analytics, which most Firefox users block. When I compare stats from my webservers with GA, it’s clear that either bots overwhelmingly prefer Firefox UAs, or it’s underrepresented in GA stats.
    - eli 4y ago
      If the Firefox version is more than a year old, it’s a bot.
      - IIsi50MHz 4y ago
        Or, the first time I've booted this computer in >1 yr.
        eli 4y ago
        I’d really discourage browsing random websites with a browser that is years out of date.
sgtfrankieboy 4y ago
Switched to Firefox for like 6-12 months, eventually moved back to Edge a couple of weeks ago. Had to open it constantly anyways. I couldn't get used to Firefox's DevTools and the JSON viewer in Firefox is bad compared to the JSON Formatter chrome extension.
- capitainenemo 4y ago
  Huh. I'm rather surprised you're comparing the out of the box firefox json formatting (rather good compared to chrome's non-existent formatter) to an extension. Are there no JSON formatting extensions for firefox?
  - 20after4 4y ago
    I used an extension a while ago, however, it became unnecessary once the built in json view was implemented. Not sure if it's still around or whether it offers any advantage over the built in feature.
  - sgtfrankieboy 4y ago
    Couldn't find any that were on the same level as the one I use with Edge.
- madeofpalk 4y ago
  Well, Firefox's default JSON view is miles better than Chrome's JSON view.
xchkr1337 4y ago
I wish Mozilla focused more on Linux support. I tried switching to Firefox multiple times, and in day-to-day use I always keep running into unfixable problems like bad font rendering, slow webgl performance, ui glitches etc. Problems like this never happen when I'm using Firefox on Windows, and honestly the state of Firefox on Linux is kind of surprising since it's the most commonly recommended and preinstalled browser on Linux distros. Right now I'm using Chromium but I'd be eager to switch if there was anything better which could provide me with a fast and stable browsing experience.
- 20after4 4y ago
  I'm using Firefox on Linux¹ and I have experienced none of those problems. Although I'm not particularly happy with the direction that Mozilla has been headed, Firefox is certainly a vast improvement over Chrome or even Chromium. 1. Latest version of Firefox (not ESR), Latest Debian, both Intel & AMD graphics. I can't speak for NVIDIA graphics on Linux as I gave up on NVIDIA a few years ago.
  - 20after4 4y ago
    Admittedly there were a few issues in the past, just nothing in the last couple of years that I can think of.
    - kgwxd 4y ago
      I was on Linux for about 10 years without a single issues with Firefox until it was turned into a snap package. Slow as hell startup times and other oddities. Removed that and installed from apt and it was back to perfectly stable. Font rendering was always different but I wouldn't say worse. In fact, now that I'm fully back on Windows, the font rendering on Linux is the only thing I really miss. Windows seems a bit blurry in comparison.
  - i_love_cookies 4y ago
    It depends on how Firefox was installed, snap and flatpaks are becoming the default for firefox on a few distros every variant of each that I've tried has those issues I usually have to download the developer edition from the website and setup a desktop entry for decent performance
jjav 4y ago
> You can just do this anyway, you know. Firefox is pretty great these days. Agree to that. Chrome might delay cutting off user control of web content but in the end they will push through what is best for google, in other words what is best for advertisers, in other words what's worst for me. As a public for-profit advertising company, they can't really do anything else. Firefox rocks!
eastbound 4y ago
Firefox is so spammy and not better for privacy. It opens tabs all the time to advertise how much that big browser is taking care of your privacy, while begging for your email to upload your passwords to their server so you can [place minor feature here] reopen a tab on your desktop. How do I know this? I use Firefox for porn on mobile, therefore didn’t connect it to ANY of my Google accounts, anything, blank state Firefox, imagine my happiness when PornHub greets me with “Hello [NAME] [SURNAME], would you like to sign-in with that Gmail account that you also happen to use for work?” This single datapoint absolutely proves that Mozilla’s care for privacy is a legend. Like saying “A honest politician.”

jbverschoor 4y ago

Same..

jraph 4y ago

uBlock Origin already has less control in Chrome than in Firefox. https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

charcircuit 4y ago
That list is outdated. For example Chrome supports cname uncloaking.
- rasz 4y ago
  "Chrome now handles CNAME aliases _internally_" https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1063095 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=106309... aka extensions still dont see it

noman-land 4y ago

Why would you wait for this one single thing when you have had so many historical reasons to choose Firefox over Google already? Why wait for Google to piss you off for the thousandth time when 999 times is plenty?

loeg 4y ago
This is probably the only actual thing I care about in a browser, at least between Firefox and Chrome. That and 1password.
- noman-land 4y ago
  That's totally fair. Among other things, I care about supporting a foundation that supports open source rather than an infinitely monied, privacy eroding advertising conglomerate.
suddenclarity 4y ago
I don't have any other major issues with Chrome and I've developed several plugins for it that I regularly use. Is Firefox better nowadays because when I left it, Chrome just seemed better in most ways. Firefox felt like an outdated (design) memory hog.
- noman-land 4y ago
  I don't know when the last time you used Firefox but the answer to your question will always be yes. It's been steadily getting better for many years now. I think it's better than Chrome not just for philosophical reasons but also on the merits. I encourage you to check it out again if you haven't in a few years. There's been some pretty major changes. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/introducing-firefox-quantum/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/introducing-firefox-quan...

jacooper 4y ago

Switch to brave, a browser that unlike firefox has privacy actually by default.

suddenclarity 4y ago
A browser that injected affiliate links and is pushing crypto. I'm not sure if Brave is the solution.
- jacooper 4y ago
  No longer does any of this.

qbasic_forever 4y ago

Just switch now, I dumped Chrome two years ago and haven't looked back. Firefox is great, and you can even use it on mobile--with ublock!

adithyassekhar 4y ago

If anyone from Mozilla is reading, I want to switch to Firefox. But I used to have a Firefox account with 2fa and lost my backup keys. The best part they won't even let me delete that account and start new even if I sent a mail from that same email account. I don't want to create another Gmail account just for Firefox.

vbernat 4y ago
Add a dot somewhere in the user part of the address. This looks like a new address but it is not.
- adithyassekhar 4y ago
  Thank you, I didn't knew you could do that to create new accounts.
- reitanqild 4y ago
  Or, if you already have a dot, remove it. i.e. Gmail treats example@gmail.com the same as exam.ple@gmail.com or ex.amp.le@gmail.com
- thiht 4y ago
  Another trick is to use @googlemail.com instead of @gmail.com

phailhaus 4y ago

Because honestly, there's not that many people like you. They know this.

pieter_mj 4y ago

MV2 uBlock Origin is already borked in Chrome, it can't uncloak CNAME-masked network requests.

1827162 4y ago

If they limit our ability to block ads in general, I am going to dramatically reduce my Internet usage even more than I am doing now. The Internet is bad enough already as a platform for enabling mass surveillance and social control. Time to start doing more offline things, such as experimenting with AI on my local computer. To you fascists at GCHQ and other government "thought police" agencies, try stopping that now... Especially a mass movement where many people decide to pull the plug, in the name of intellectual freedom.