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Aargh. <script>document.referrer.startsWith("https://news.ycombinator.com")&&(console.log("Hacker News is becoming worse than 4chan. Do better."),document.

Aargh. <script>document.referrer.startsWith("https://news.ycombinator.com")&&(console.log("Hacker News is becoming worse than 4chan. Do better."),document.location="https://google.com")</script>

nicolaslem 4y ago
How is the referrer still a thing in 2023?
- captn3m0 4y ago
  https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/smart-referer/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/smart-referer/ works well for me.
  - amelius 4y ago
    Without using addons: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1130505 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1130505
    - freeCandy 4y ago
      Note that some sites depend on referrer and might break if disabled. Here's a list of them maintained by the extension mentioned above: https://gitlab.com/smart-referrer/smart-referer/-/blob/gh-pages/whitelist.txt https://gitlab.com/smart-referrer/smart-referer/-/blob/gh-pa...
  - raydev 4y ago
    Anyone have an option for Chrome they trust? Not only for this, but to fix the stupid Twitter behavior of hiding complete threads and showing "related tweets" if you are linked.
- amelius 4y ago
  This is absolutely insane.
aflag 4y ago
Does anyone know the context for that?
- captn3m0 4y ago
  https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110060225535294882 https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110060225535294882
  - smcl 4y ago
    It’s a shame because most of the top 10 top level comments ended up being just pure praise and admiration, and all the negative ones were downvoted or debunked. I think the main disagreement was the people speculating on the identity of Lina.
    - 411111111111111 4y ago
      This is hilarious, you're actually speculating about "the real reason" after getting linked to the literal statement of why it was done with example comments given, most of which are doing exactly what you're doing here: irrelevant speculation and going of on tangents If there is a basic archetype of a HN comment, yours is a perfect example of it
      - smcl 4y ago
        I follow Hector on Mastodon and he's posted a few times in the past about how he dislikes the HN comments and often finds them toxic. He didn't implement any anti-HN measures in his sites before though, so there was clearly something different this time. What I think elevated this from "ignore" to "block" were a few creepy subthreads relating to him and the identity of Lina that I am not going to repeat. Additionally I thought this was a shame because those nasty ones ended up being flagged and downvoted by the community, and drowned out by a boatload of comments saying how much people admired the work Hector, Lina, Alyssa and the Asahi crew are doing. So he's under the impression that most HNers are dumb idiots who dislike him and and are comofortable doxxing people, which I don't think is the case. However if you're looking for the basic archetype of a bad HN comment I think yours is actually much more appropriate. Very poor form :-/
voxadam 4y ago
Wow, I haven't seen that since https://jwz.org https://jwz.org used to redirect HN referrers to a certain old school NSFW internet meme. Plus, I don't think even he still pulls that kind of redirect BS these days.
- tda 4y ago
  Just confirmed he still does that
  - voxadam 4y ago
    Oops, sorry about that. I must have had something cached from when I verified that I had the correct tld, though in the end, jwz.com, jwz.net, and jwz.org all lead to the same place.
    - sph 4y ago
      Of course they do, if you are loading them from your address bar. The bollock in a cup appears only if you click on a jwz.org link on HN.
- coldtea 4y ago
  Shame. We need more of those...
toxik 4y ago
I guess Safari doesn't populate referrer then, because this was no issue for me.
- dpkirchner 4y ago
  Long-press and open in new tab is a good workaround until browsers wise up and stop sending referer headers.
  - henry_viii 4y ago
    This also works on desktop Safari. However it won't work on desktop Chrome.
philliphaydon 4y ago
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matheusmoreira 4y ago
Why doesn't HN strip referrer headers?
- sph 4y ago
  It's the browser that sends the Referer (sic) header.
  - wcedmisten 4y ago
    It would be fairly trivial for HN to add rel=noreferrer to links https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Attributes/rel/noreferrer https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Attributes...
Sakos 4y ago
Wow. That's infuriating. I had no idea until I saw these comments. Apparently these people are insanely petty and gifted developers. Here the relevant text about 16k page size kernels: > IOMMU 4K patches (in review): The M1 is peculiar in that, although it supports OSes that use either 16K or 4K pages, it really is designed for 16K systems. Its DART IOMMU hardware only supports 16K pages. These chips have 4K support chiefly to make Rosetta work on macOS, but macOS itself always runs with 16K pages – only Rosetta apps end up in 4K mode. Linux can’t really mix page sizes like that and likely never will be able to, so we’re left with a conundrum: running a 16K kernel makes compatibility with older userspace difficult (chiefly Android and x86 emulation), plus distros don’t usually ship 16K kernels; while running a 4K kernel runs into a major mismatch with the DART. This initially seemed like a problem too intractable to solve, but Sven took on the challenge and now has a patch series that makes Linux’s IOMMU support layer play nicely with hardware that has an IOMMU page size larger than the kernel page size! It’s not perfect, as it can’t support a select few corner case drivers (that do things that are fundamentally impossible to support in this situation), but it works well and will support everything we need to make 4K kernels viable. For anybody who wants to read the whole thing: https://archive.is/Wc0XN https://archive.is/Wc0XN

Aargh. <script>document.referrer.startsWith("https://news.ycombinator.com")&&(console.log("Hacker News is becoming worse than 4chan. Do better."),document.location="https://google.com")</script>

nicolaslem 4y ago

How is the referrer still a thing in 2023?

captn3m0 4y ago
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/smart-referer/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/smart-referer/ works well for me.
- amelius 4y ago
  Without using addons: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1130505 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1130505
  - freeCandy 4y ago
    Note that some sites depend on referrer and might break if disabled. Here's a list of them maintained by the extension mentioned above: https://gitlab.com/smart-referrer/smart-referer/-/blob/gh-pages/whitelist.txt https://gitlab.com/smart-referrer/smart-referer/-/blob/gh-pa...
- raydev 4y ago
  Anyone have an option for Chrome they trust? Not only for this, but to fix the stupid Twitter behavior of hiding complete threads and showing "related tweets" if you are linked.
amelius 4y ago
This is absolutely insane.

aflag 4y ago

Does anyone know the context for that?

captn3m0 4y ago
https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110060225535294882 https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110060225535294882
- smcl 4y ago
  It’s a shame because most of the top 10 top level comments ended up being just pure praise and admiration, and all the negative ones were downvoted or debunked. I think the main disagreement was the people speculating on the identity of Lina.
  - 411111111111111 4y ago
    This is hilarious, you're actually speculating about "the real reason" after getting linked to the literal statement of why it was done with example comments given, most of which are doing exactly what you're doing here: irrelevant speculation and going of on tangents If there is a basic archetype of a HN comment, yours is a perfect example of it
    - smcl 4y ago
      I follow Hector on Mastodon and he's posted a few times in the past about how he dislikes the HN comments and often finds them toxic. He didn't implement any anti-HN measures in his sites before though, so there was clearly something different this time. What I think elevated this from "ignore" to "block" were a few creepy subthreads relating to him and the identity of Lina that I am not going to repeat. Additionally I thought this was a shame because those nasty ones ended up being flagged and downvoted by the community, and drowned out by a boatload of comments saying how much people admired the work Hector, Lina, Alyssa and the Asahi crew are doing. So he's under the impression that most HNers are dumb idiots who dislike him and and are comofortable doxxing people, which I don't think is the case. However if you're looking for the basic archetype of a bad HN comment I think yours is actually much more appropriate. Very poor form :-/

voxadam 4y ago

Wow, I haven't seen that since https://jwz.org https://jwz.org used to redirect HN referrers to a certain old school NSFW internet meme. Plus, I don't think even he still pulls that kind of redirect BS these days.

tda 4y ago
Just confirmed he still does that
- voxadam 4y ago
  Oops, sorry about that. I must have had something cached from when I verified that I had the correct tld, though in the end, jwz.com, jwz.net, and jwz.org all lead to the same place.
  - sph 4y ago
    Of course they do, if you are loading them from your address bar. The bollock in a cup appears only if you click on a jwz.org link on HN.
coldtea 4y ago
Shame. We need more of those...

toxik 4y ago

I guess Safari doesn't populate referrer then, because this was no issue for me.

dpkirchner 4y ago
Long-press and open in new tab is a good workaround until browsers wise up and stop sending referer headers.
- henry_viii 4y ago
  This also works on desktop Safari. However it won't work on desktop Chrome.

philliphaydon 4y ago

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matheusmoreira 4y ago

Why doesn't HN strip referrer headers?

sph 4y ago
It's the browser that sends the Referer (sic) header.
- wcedmisten 4y ago
  It would be fairly trivial for HN to add rel=noreferrer to links https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Attributes/rel/noreferrer https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Attributes...

Sakos 4y ago

Wow. That's infuriating. I had no idea until I saw these comments. Apparently these people are insanely petty and gifted developers. Here the relevant text about 16k page size kernels: > IOMMU 4K patches (in review): The M1 is peculiar in that, although it supports OSes that use either 16K or 4K pages, it really is designed for 16K systems. Its DART IOMMU hardware only supports 16K pages. These chips have 4K support chiefly to make Rosetta work on macOS, but macOS itself always runs with 16K pages – only Rosetta apps end up in 4K mode. Linux can’t really mix page sizes like that and likely never will be able to, so we’re left with a conundrum: running a 16K kernel makes compatibility with older userspace difficult (chiefly Android and x86 emulation), plus distros don’t usually ship 16K kernels; while running a 4K kernel runs into a major mismatch with the DART. This initially seemed like a problem too intractable to solve, but Sven took on the challenge and now has a patch series that makes Linux’s IOMMU support layer play nicely with hardware that has an IOMMU page size larger than the kernel page size! It’s not perfect, as it can’t support a select few corner case drivers (that do things that are fundamentally impossible to support in this situation), but it works well and will support everything we need to make 4K kernels viable. For anybody who wants to read the whole thing: https://archive.is/Wc0XN https://archive.is/Wc0XN