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I understand where you're coming from, but see it differently. This really is a filter. We don't want job applications from people who are looking for a job. W

I understand where you're coming from, but see it differently. This really is a filter. We don't want job applications from people who are looking for a job. We're looking for people who actually want to do work at WunderGraph. We're the first to build a Backend for Frontend Framework, unifying the ideas of API Gateway, BFF and package manager. Our long term goal is to build the GitHub for APIs, a collaborative platform to enable true collaboration between API producers and API consumers. Either you're excited about this as much as we are, or you just send a CV. We're not offering you a job. We offer you the opportunity to work together with a smart bunch of people on a very hard problem. It's simply not enough to say "hi". It's fine if your focus is your private life and you really just need a paycheck. A lot of corporates will fight for you. On our end, we need to filter out people who really just want to fill a role to make ends meet. It's really not about loving what we do. That misses the point. It's about transparency of our goals align.

jacobriis 4y ago
Couldn’t tell if this is satire. Love it.
- musicale 4y ago
  The era of AI-written recruitment pitches has begun.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    "begun the era of AI-written recruitment pitches has" FTFY
    - SgtBastard 4y ago
      You were supposed to bring balance to the market, not destroy it!
      - musicale 4y ago
        :)
  - Yoric 4y ago
    Yep. I've been following recruiter groups on LinkedIn, there are a number of prompts circulating for that purpose.
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cornholio 4y ago
> We don't want job applications from people who are looking for a job. We're looking for people who actually want to do work > We're not offering you a job. We offer you the opportunity This gem right here sums up what an employers market means. Every employer thinks they are special and wants an employee who's entire life's journey was only a preparation for the singular great moment of meeting you and building your vision, all for the a great compensation package of 65k/year and dental. But guess what: you are not special, you are just a workplace and you compete in the marketplace for talent just like everybody else. For economic reasons that have nothing to do with you, you have more negotiating power for a limited time. That is all.
- __MatrixMan__ 4y ago
  If the hiring pool for this job is global, I think it's entirely reasonable to expect to hear from people that are uniquely suited to the role. And it goes both ways. These days I pick a job based on whether the work is going to help me learn what I need to make progress on my side projects. If I was searching locally that would be an entirely unreasonable filter, but so far it's been win-win.
- bjornsing 4y ago
  > But guess what: you are not special, you are just a workplace and you compete in the marketplace for talent just like everybody else. For economic reasons that have nothing to do with you, you have more negotiating power for a limited time. That is all. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to not want to hire people with this attitude. Just a few people with this attitude can completely ruin an early stage company. And the same goes in the other direction: I don’t want to work for anybody who sees me as a commodity they’ve bought in a market. I’m sorry, but I am special: there is only one of me on this planet.
  - pdimitar 4y ago
    How did you infer the "early stage company" thing? That's an assumption.
    - 4y ago
ithinkso 4y ago
You really have to say this first to anyone you give the 'advice' from your previous post
smsm42 4y ago
> We're not offering you a job. We offer you the opportunity to work together with a smart bunch of people on a very hard problem. So does nearly everybody else. I was never told by a recruiter they are looking for somebody to work on mind-numbingly simple things in the company of idiots.
- musicale 4y ago
  > they are looking for somebody to work on mind-numbingly simple things in the company of idiots That isn't always an inaccurate description.
deebosong 4y ago
I'm not in your field, but I read it as such from the get-go and I thought, "Yeah I know what this person is talking about – basically, not seeking someone who lays it on too thick about being in love with the company (or even the specific software/ work), but someone who reads the job description, and is fairly assured they are very capable of doing the work, and wants to do the work because it's interesting to them." It didn't sound to me like you're asking someone to be a zealot, sycophant, brown-noser, or some kinda corporate drone who drinks the kool-aid and wears the company swag. But maybe I'm misreading? I say this because I'm fairly niche in my skillset for animation and design, and I only really reach out to studios/ agencies for this very specific skillset, and will turn down jobs (or refer others who might be a better fit) where it's better suited for a generalist or outside of my range. Like, I like doing work within my niche, but it's not my everything or even my core identity. Doesn't sound like you're asking potential candidates to profess their undying devotion and pile on gratitude. That's just my take. Felt like people might have been reading your comments in a slightly exaggerated interpretation and it could use some other perspectives.
- jensneuse 4y ago
  You've got this exactly right. We're not your family. We are an employer. I think we offer a special opportunity. We give our employees a lot of freedom to structure their work day. There's no office, it's all remote. What we're really just looking for is a healthy mix of passion and experience in the field. I believe that people do their best work when it's easy for them to wake up in the morning, they have low stress, they like their colleagues and don't hate the stuff they are working on. Even better if you're passionate about the work you're doing. That gives you a lot of energy to actually perform the work, and for us we're getting great results. This makes our company more valuable, we get more customers and revenue. We can increase your salary and you live a good life. Everybody wins, no? So people should not try to read something into what I wrote above that's simply not there. Tell my why you want to work at WunderGraph. Tell my why you think you'd perform good work. That's all. Please don't write a cover letter. Keep it simple. The best of the best can say a lot with few words.
  - carabiner 4y ago
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>Either you're excited about this as much as we are, or you just send a CV. [...] >It's really not about loving what we do. You do realize your contradicting yourself right? Honestly, young wide-eyed new-grad me (which I bet is your target hiring demographic) would have totally bought into your baloney of "making the world a better place through minimal message oriented transport layers"[1], but as a gray beard I'd really be happy to be filtered out of your resume screening, as it reeks of cargo cult BS. I'm paid to do a job, not to join a cult and make that my life and working identity. I apreciate your honesty though and I hope more companies do this so I can easily avoid them and save us both the time. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETi_UpG8D_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETi_UpG8D_k
- synecdoche 4y ago
  I don't have a beard but I'm definitely gray. It might be about confusing passion for the company with passion for the type of work that is part of what the company needs to be carried out as one and the same. If those things were clearly separated in the attitude of companies when looking to hire maybe people would be more willing to help both the company and in turn themselves succeed. Otherwise, it's a bit like professing your unconditioned love before you know what you've bargained for, and that seems backwards.
adrianmsmith 4y ago
> We're not offering you a job. We offer you the opportunity to work together with a smart bunch of people on a very hard problem. I think this can be a trap. I'm not saying that your company does this, but I've learned to be wary of this. We've all heard of game programmers who are in endless "crunch mode" for less salary than they can get elsewhere. They accept this precisely because they want the opportunity to work on something they love. But is it fair of the company to abuse people like that? Is it really the right choice to work at a place like that? Again, I'm not saying your company is abusing anyone. But when I feel this sort of vibe coming from a company that I'm applying to and have no insider knowledge of, it makes me think there might be that sort of abuse going on, which makes me less likely to want to apply to the company.
oxfordmale 4y ago
The cynical truth is that no one is that excited to work at Wundergraph. Once your revenue drops, you will make your staff redundant. I am sure your employees love to to work with your other colleagues on an exciting problem, however, it is just a paycheck in the end.
surgical_fire 4y ago
> We're not offering you a job. We offer you the opportunity to work together with a smart bunch of people on a very hard problem. This is the reddest flag of all on any interview process for me. I discard all companies with this attitude. Working for a company is not a privilege, it is merely an employment.
walls 4y ago
Wow you really drank the kool-aid.

jacobriis 4y ago

Couldn’t tell if this is satire. Love it.

musicale 4y ago
The era of AI-written recruitment pitches has begun.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  "begun the era of AI-written recruitment pitches has" FTFY
  - SgtBastard 4y ago
    You were supposed to bring balance to the market, not destroy it!
    - musicale 4y ago
      :)
- Yoric 4y ago
  Yep. I've been following recruiter groups on LinkedIn, there are a number of prompts circulating for that purpose.

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cornholio 4y ago

> We don't want job applications from people who are looking for a job. We're looking for people who actually want to do work > We're not offering you a job. We offer you the opportunity This gem right here sums up what an employers market means. Every employer thinks they are special and wants an employee who's entire life's journey was only a preparation for the singular great moment of meeting you and building your vision, all for the a great compensation package of 65k/year and dental. But guess what: you are not special, you are just a workplace and you compete in the marketplace for talent just like everybody else. For economic reasons that have nothing to do with you, you have more negotiating power for a limited time. That is all.

__MatrixMan__ 4y ago
If the hiring pool for this job is global, I think it's entirely reasonable to expect to hear from people that are uniquely suited to the role. And it goes both ways. These days I pick a job based on whether the work is going to help me learn what I need to make progress on my side projects. If I was searching locally that would be an entirely unreasonable filter, but so far it's been win-win.
bjornsing 4y ago
> But guess what: you are not special, you are just a workplace and you compete in the marketplace for talent just like everybody else. For economic reasons that have nothing to do with you, you have more negotiating power for a limited time. That is all. I think it’s perfectly legitimate to not want to hire people with this attitude. Just a few people with this attitude can completely ruin an early stage company. And the same goes in the other direction: I don’t want to work for anybody who sees me as a commodity they’ve bought in a market. I’m sorry, but I am special: there is only one of me on this planet.
- pdimitar 4y ago
  How did you infer the "early stage company" thing? That's an assumption.
  - 4y ago

ithinkso 4y ago

You really have to say this first to anyone you give the 'advice' from your previous post

smsm42 4y ago

> We're not offering you a job. We offer you the opportunity to work together with a smart bunch of people on a very hard problem. So does nearly everybody else. I was never told by a recruiter they are looking for somebody to work on mind-numbingly simple things in the company of idiots.

musicale 4y ago
> they are looking for somebody to work on mind-numbingly simple things in the company of idiots That isn't always an inaccurate description.

deebosong 4y ago

I'm not in your field, but I read it as such from the get-go and I thought, "Yeah I know what this person is talking about – basically, not seeking someone who lays it on too thick about being in love with the company (or even the specific software/ work), but someone who reads the job description, and is fairly assured they are very capable of doing the work, and wants to do the work because it's interesting to them." It didn't sound to me like you're asking someone to be a zealot, sycophant, brown-noser, or some kinda corporate drone who drinks the kool-aid and wears the company swag. But maybe I'm misreading? I say this because I'm fairly niche in my skillset for animation and design, and I only really reach out to studios/ agencies for this very specific skillset, and will turn down jobs (or refer others who might be a better fit) where it's better suited for a generalist or outside of my range. Like, I like doing work within my niche, but it's not my everything or even my core identity. Doesn't sound like you're asking potential candidates to profess their undying devotion and pile on gratitude. That's just my take. Felt like people might have been reading your comments in a slightly exaggerated interpretation and it could use some other perspectives.

jensneuse 4y ago
You've got this exactly right. We're not your family. We are an employer. I think we offer a special opportunity. We give our employees a lot of freedom to structure their work day. There's no office, it's all remote. What we're really just looking for is a healthy mix of passion and experience in the field. I believe that people do their best work when it's easy for them to wake up in the morning, they have low stress, they like their colleagues and don't hate the stuff they are working on. Even better if you're passionate about the work you're doing. That gives you a lot of energy to actually perform the work, and for us we're getting great results. This makes our company more valuable, we get more customers and revenue. We can increase your salary and you live a good life. Everybody wins, no? So people should not try to read something into what I wrote above that's simply not there. Tell my why you want to work at WunderGraph. Tell my why you think you'd perform good work. That's all. Please don't write a cover letter. Keep it simple. The best of the best can say a lot with few words.
- carabiner 4y ago

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>Either you're excited about this as much as we are, or you just send a CV. [...] >It's really not about loving what we do. You do realize your contradicting yourself right? Honestly, young wide-eyed new-grad me (which I bet is your target hiring demographic) would have totally bought into your baloney of "making the world a better place through minimal message oriented transport layers"[1], but as a gray beard I'd really be happy to be filtered out of your resume screening, as it reeks of cargo cult BS. I'm paid to do a job, not to join a cult and make that my life and working identity. I apreciate your honesty though and I hope more companies do this so I can easily avoid them and save us both the time. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETi_UpG8D_k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETi_UpG8D_k

synecdoche 4y ago
I don't have a beard but I'm definitely gray. It might be about confusing passion for the company with passion for the type of work that is part of what the company needs to be carried out as one and the same. If those things were clearly separated in the attitude of companies when looking to hire maybe people would be more willing to help both the company and in turn themselves succeed. Otherwise, it's a bit like professing your unconditioned love before you know what you've bargained for, and that seems backwards.

adrianmsmith 4y ago

> We're not offering you a job. We offer you the opportunity to work together with a smart bunch of people on a very hard problem. I think this can be a trap. I'm not saying that your company does this, but I've learned to be wary of this. We've all heard of game programmers who are in endless "crunch mode" for less salary than they can get elsewhere. They accept this precisely because they want the opportunity to work on something they love. But is it fair of the company to abuse people like that? Is it really the right choice to work at a place like that? Again, I'm not saying your company is abusing anyone. But when I feel this sort of vibe coming from a company that I'm applying to and have no insider knowledge of, it makes me think there might be that sort of abuse going on, which makes me less likely to want to apply to the company.

oxfordmale 4y ago

The cynical truth is that no one is that excited to work at Wundergraph. Once your revenue drops, you will make your staff redundant. I am sure your employees love to to work with your other colleagues on an exciting problem, however, it is just a paycheck in the end.

surgical_fire 4y ago

> We're not offering you a job. We offer you the opportunity to work together with a smart bunch of people on a very hard problem. This is the reddest flag of all on any interview process for me. I discard all companies with this attitude. Working for a company is not a privilege, it is merely an employment.

walls 4y ago

Wow you really drank the kool-aid.