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At 8.5 miles a commute by bicycle or e-bike would be cheaper and close to thirty minutes. It would be healthier. It wouldn't require a parking spot.

by htag 4y ago

quesera 4y ago
> At 8.5 miles a commute by bicycle or e-bike GP said Boston.
- htag 4y ago
  I've never been. Are bicycles illegal there?
  - quesera 4y ago
    Yes.
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      One of the first search results for Boston bicycle declares it the fourth best biking city in the US, so you're going to need to be more specific about whatever criticism you're exaggerating.
      - jen20 4y ago
        Boston sometimes gets 2 feet of snow in a single day, and often has sub-freezing temperatures. People just get on with life (but not really on e-bikes).
        htag 4y ago
        Do people in Boston drive in 2 feet of snow?
        deleted 4y ago
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        sokoloff 4y ago
        After a 2 foot snowfall ends, secondary roads are usually passable within ~3-12 hours, depending on how much snow was removed during the storm. Major roads will almost always remain passable during the entire snow event. Essential stores and services almost never close as people can move around despite the weather (and except for a few hours immediately after, are expected to). Sidewalks and bike paths will take days to be down to pavement and some bike paths aren’t salted or plowed at all so become safe to use again when the snow naturally melts.
        brewdad 4y ago
        > Sidewalks and bike paths will take days to be down to pavement and some bike paths aren’t salted or plowed at all so become safe to use again when the snow naturally melts. This is a choice, not an inevitability.
        sokoloff 4y ago
        From my perspective as an individual living 8-9 miles from the office, there is no practical difference. It’s not like I’m going to go out and shovel it.
        throw0101c 4y ago
        > […] and often has sub-freezing temperatures. So does Finland. See "Why Canadians Can't Bike in the Winter (but Finnish people can)": * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU Also "Why Winter Cities Need to Reconsider Car Dependence": * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFkI3eglT1M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFkI3eglT1M If things can be taken car of so cars can operate in winter there's no reason why they can't be for bicycles (as someone who lives in Toronto, Canada).
        sokoloff 4y ago
        If you slide a front tire 12” to 18” on a car, nothing much happens. If you do that on a bike, something very much happens. The standards of snow removal needed to permit 2 wheel vehicles to operate safely are quite a bit stricter than those for 4 wheelers.
        brewdad 4y ago
        So the three times a year that happens, you find a different way to work or WFH. Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good. Minneapolis gets a decent bike share in winter. If they can bundle up and ride, it's positively simply for Bostonians to do it.
      - quesera 4y ago
        Search results do not match reality. Boston is great for recreational biking for part of the year, sure. There are lovely bike trails. But it is not great for commuting on a bike, nearly ever. And definitely not during winter.
sokoloff 4y ago
Buying an e-bike to accomplish this commute would not be cheaper as it would not be a full replacement for the car, so I’d be paying for a car and an e-bike. There is oodles of parking at the office (was built for commuters) and I already have to park the car near home. Eliminating a parking space on either end won’t move any of the existing buildings closer.
- htag 4y ago
  The GSA usage rate is $0.585/mile. That is $9.945/day in car usage from a 8.5 mile commute to the office. I understand you can drive for less than this rate, but it would be hard to reach $0.35/mile and doing so would sacrifice dependability of the motor vehicle. My e-bike is significantly cheaper to maintain than my car. It uses something like .7KWH for a full charge which handles over 30 miles. Thats less than 10 cents for a full charge at my rate. Other consumable goods like tires, chains, tubes, break pads are all similarly 10x-100x cheaper than their car counterpart. The only expensive wear item is the battery pack, which admittedly cost $550. I'd estimate my personal usage of the device to be around $0.05/mile. It's cheaper to own both and maintain both if you are going to use both. Using simple linear math, the ebike will save you over $2000 in ongoing costs (initial price) within 3850 miles or 235 commutes. A pretty good ROI.

At 8.5 miles a commute by bicycle or e-bike would be cheaper and close to thirty minutes. It would be healthier. It wouldn't require a parking spot.

by htag 4y ago

At 8.5 miles a commute by bicycle or e-bike would be cheaper and close to thirty minutes. It would be healthier. It wouldn't require a parking spot.

quesera 4y ago

> At 8.5 miles a commute by bicycle or e-bike GP said Boston.

htag 4y ago
I've never been. Are bicycles illegal there?
- quesera 4y ago
  Yes.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    One of the first search results for Boston bicycle declares it the fourth best biking city in the US, so you're going to need to be more specific about whatever criticism you're exaggerating.
    - jen20 4y ago
      Boston sometimes gets 2 feet of snow in a single day, and often has sub-freezing temperatures. People just get on with life (but not really on e-bikes).
      - htag 4y ago
        Do people in Boston drive in 2 feet of snow?
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        sokoloff 4y ago
        After a 2 foot snowfall ends, secondary roads are usually passable within ~3-12 hours, depending on how much snow was removed during the storm. Major roads will almost always remain passable during the entire snow event. Essential stores and services almost never close as people can move around despite the weather (and except for a few hours immediately after, are expected to). Sidewalks and bike paths will take days to be down to pavement and some bike paths aren’t salted or plowed at all so become safe to use again when the snow naturally melts.
        brewdad 4y ago
        > Sidewalks and bike paths will take days to be down to pavement and some bike paths aren’t salted or plowed at all so become safe to use again when the snow naturally melts. This is a choice, not an inevitability.
        sokoloff 4y ago
        From my perspective as an individual living 8-9 miles from the office, there is no practical difference. It’s not like I’m going to go out and shovel it.
      - throw0101c 4y ago
        > […] and often has sub-freezing temperatures. So does Finland. See "Why Canadians Can't Bike in the Winter (but Finnish people can)": * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU Also "Why Winter Cities Need to Reconsider Car Dependence": * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFkI3eglT1M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFkI3eglT1M If things can be taken car of so cars can operate in winter there's no reason why they can't be for bicycles (as someone who lives in Toronto, Canada).
        sokoloff 4y ago
        If you slide a front tire 12” to 18” on a car, nothing much happens. If you do that on a bike, something very much happens. The standards of snow removal needed to permit 2 wheel vehicles to operate safely are quite a bit stricter than those for 4 wheelers.
      - brewdad 4y ago
        So the three times a year that happens, you find a different way to work or WFH. Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good. Minneapolis gets a decent bike share in winter. If they can bundle up and ride, it's positively simply for Bostonians to do it.
    - quesera 4y ago
      Search results do not match reality. Boston is great for recreational biking for part of the year, sure. There are lovely bike trails. But it is not great for commuting on a bike, nearly ever. And definitely not during winter.

sokoloff 4y ago

Buying an e-bike to accomplish this commute would not be cheaper as it would not be a full replacement for the car, so I’d be paying for a car and an e-bike. There is oodles of parking at the office (was built for commuters) and I already have to park the car near home. Eliminating a parking space on either end won’t move any of the existing buildings closer.

htag 4y ago
The GSA usage rate is $0.585/mile. That is $9.945/day in car usage from a 8.5 mile commute to the office. I understand you can drive for less than this rate, but it would be hard to reach $0.35/mile and doing so would sacrifice dependability of the motor vehicle. My e-bike is significantly cheaper to maintain than my car. It uses something like .7KWH for a full charge which handles over 30 miles. Thats less than 10 cents for a full charge at my rate. Other consumable goods like tires, chains, tubes, break pads are all similarly 10x-100x cheaper than their car counterpart. The only expensive wear item is the battery pack, which admittedly cost $550. I'd estimate my personal usage of the device to be around $0.05/mile. It's cheaper to own both and maintain both if you are going to use both. Using simple linear math, the ebike will save you over $2000 in ongoing costs (initial price) within 3850 miles or 235 commutes. A pretty good ROI.