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> ”GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.” I dunno. Lack of CarPlay support has not exactly stopped people buying Teslas. On the other hand, Poles

> ”GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.” I dunno. Lack of CarPlay support has not exactly stopped people buying Teslas. On the other hand, Polestar uses Google’s Automotive OS for it’s infotainment system and yet also supports CarPlay. So the two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

kitsunesoba 4y ago
GM is very much not Tesla, though. They don't have Tesla's reputation of being tech-forward and somewhat competent in software UI/UX, plus I'd argue that the kind of buyers who'd consider e.g. a Bolt are those who are looking for normal cars that happen to be EVs — they're the type who'd normally be buying something like a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord. They want something that's a reliable commuter, not a touchscreen gadget on wheels.
KerrAvon 4y ago
But it actually has. Lack of CarPlay support was a major reason I didn't seriously consider a Tesla for my last purchase (long before they became electric MAGA hats), and I know other people who have the same issue. Are we statistically significant? Not enough data. Maybe not. But there's definitely some money that Tesla's leaving on the table. Volvo/Polestar has a rather nice, well-integrated implementation of CarPlay, in fact. It definitely can be done. GM is insane.
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theshrike79 4y ago
Tesla's infotainment systems are in a whole another category from whatever the other manufacturers are attempting. That being said, not supporting CarPlay (and Apple Maps) is a big factor of me not buying a Tesla.
MBCook 4y ago
Tesla had a very strong alternate benefit to offset the CarPlay loss. They were basically the only non-low end electric car. Also their infotainment is reportedly pretty good, not the quality of most car makers. GM doesn’t have a Tesla quality infotainment system, and doesn’t have a “we’re the only choice” level hook. It won’t work for them. And it may be starting to hurt Tesla as they lose their uniqueness selling point.
- Reason077 4y ago
  > “GM doesn’t have a Tesla quality infotainment system” Yet. Having poked around with a Polestar, Google’s infotainment software is actually very good. It’s certainly in the same ballpark as Tesla’s. Clean elegant design, tight integration to the car’s systems, fast smooth performance. And has clear advantages over Tesla in some aspects (ie: ability to install 3rd-party apps).
mikestew 4y ago
Lack of CarPlay support has not exactly stopped people buying Teslas. Oh, it absolutely does. I bought TSLA when it was in the double digits, and I bought lots of it (and long since sold it all). Despite scooping up capital gains with a backhoe, my wife and I never considered a Tesla simply because it didn't have CarPlay. As it applies to any car maker, CarPlay/Android Auto seems like an easy win, and if the company can't be bothered, then we'll look elsewhere. Lack of CarPlay just doesn't stop everyone from buying one.
- diebeforei485 4y ago
  Tesla is probably an edge-case. Tesla's navigation has excellent support for Superchargers and even pre-conditions your battery a few minutes before you arrive at the charger for more efficient charging. There are ways to run CarPlay in the browser, and it works fine (plenty of videos about it), but it isn't enough of a value-add for people to want it.
pedalpete 4y ago
Not having Android Auto or CarPlay is the thing I dislike most about Tesla. I doubt they would be more popular if they had these features, but I also doubt GM will suddenly find they have the software capabilities of Tesla.

kitsunesoba 4y ago

GM is very much not Tesla, though. They don't have Tesla's reputation of being tech-forward and somewhat competent in software UI/UX, plus I'd argue that the kind of buyers who'd consider e.g. a Bolt are those who are looking for normal cars that happen to be EVs — they're the type who'd normally be buying something like a Toyota Camry or Honda Accord. They want something that's a reliable commuter, not a touchscreen gadget on wheels.

KerrAvon 4y ago

But it actually has. Lack of CarPlay support was a major reason I didn't seriously consider a Tesla for my last purchase (long before they became electric MAGA hats), and I know other people who have the same issue. Are we statistically significant? Not enough data. Maybe not. But there's definitely some money that Tesla's leaving on the table. Volvo/Polestar has a rather nice, well-integrated implementation of CarPlay, in fact. It definitely can be done. GM is insane.

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theshrike79 4y ago

Tesla's infotainment systems are in a whole another category from whatever the other manufacturers are attempting. That being said, not supporting CarPlay (and Apple Maps) is a big factor of me not buying a Tesla.

MBCook 4y ago

Tesla had a very strong alternate benefit to offset the CarPlay loss. They were basically the only non-low end electric car. Also their infotainment is reportedly pretty good, not the quality of most car makers. GM doesn’t have a Tesla quality infotainment system, and doesn’t have a “we’re the only choice” level hook. It won’t work for them. And it may be starting to hurt Tesla as they lose their uniqueness selling point.

Reason077 4y ago
> “GM doesn’t have a Tesla quality infotainment system” Yet. Having poked around with a Polestar, Google’s infotainment software is actually very good. It’s certainly in the same ballpark as Tesla’s. Clean elegant design, tight integration to the car’s systems, fast smooth performance. And has clear advantages over Tesla in some aspects (ie: ability to install 3rd-party apps).

mikestew 4y ago

Lack of CarPlay support has not exactly stopped people buying Teslas. Oh, it absolutely does. I bought TSLA when it was in the double digits, and I bought lots of it (and long since sold it all). Despite scooping up capital gains with a backhoe, my wife and I never considered a Tesla simply because it didn't have CarPlay. As it applies to any car maker, CarPlay/Android Auto seems like an easy win, and if the company can't be bothered, then we'll look elsewhere. Lack of CarPlay just doesn't stop everyone from buying one.

diebeforei485 4y ago
Tesla is probably an edge-case. Tesla's navigation has excellent support for Superchargers and even pre-conditions your battery a few minutes before you arrive at the charger for more efficient charging. There are ways to run CarPlay in the browser, and it works fine (plenty of videos about it), but it isn't enough of a value-add for people to want it.

pedalpete 4y ago

Not having Android Auto or CarPlay is the thing I dislike most about Tesla. I doubt they would be more popular if they had these features, but I also doubt GM will suddenly find they have the software capabilities of Tesla.