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> for a former president and polarizing figure, you would think the bar on prosecution would be air tight. This i the crux I think - It's clearly a crime, but

by w0m 4y ago

> for a former president and polarizing figure, you would think the bar on prosecution would be air tight. This i the crux I think - It's clearly a crime, but should he be held accountable or not due to notoriety? personally, I think public figures (especially politicians) should be held to a higher standard than mere-mortals; but many seem to believe the opposite. You don't want your <insert political candidate> arrested/prosecuted? Don't elect a morally ambiguous one then. Higher standards, not lower.

leereeves 4y ago
> It's clearly a crime What, exactly, is "clearly a crime"? The accounting issue is at worst a misdemeanor, unless the DA can show that the payment to SD was a campaign finance violation. But if it was "clearly" a campaign finance violation, why haven't federal prosecutors charged him with that? Bragg is a motivated prosecutor trying to find a way to prosecute Trump for a charge he has no jurisdiction over, while the prosecutors who do have jurisdiction don't think it's worth prosecuting. And that's dangerous. Prosecutions should not be motivated by politics.
kelseyfrog 4y ago
> I think public figures (especially politicians) should be held to a higher standard than mere-mortals; but many seem to believe the opposite. I think people should be seen as equals before the law. Having one set of standards[law] for one group and a different set for another group is antithetical to rule of law which is purportedly a common American value FWIW.
lazyeye 4y ago
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- Dylan16807 4y ago
  > running your family as a syndicate Evidence? And offspring doing something on their own doesn't count. > illegal immigrants in order to sway voter demographics That's not how voting works. > dossier full of lies about your opponent Sure that one counts. Sometimes both choices are bad. But one candidate doing something bad doesn't mean you increase what the other candidate can get away with.
  - lazyeye 4y ago
    Comer Reveals Biden Family Members Receiving Payments from Chinese Energy Company https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-biden-family-members-receiving-payments-from-chinese-energy-company%EF%BF%BC/ https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-biden-fami... Hunter Biden's business partner outlines Joe Biden's involvement https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-ex-partner-tony-bobulinski-calls-joe-biden-a-liar/ https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-ex-partner-tony-bobulin... Monthly encounters with migrants at U.S.-Mexico border remain near record highs https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/01/13/monthly-encounters-with-migrants-at-u-s-mexico-border-remain-near-record-highs/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/01/13/monthly-enc... You'd have to be pretty naive not to acknowledge the long-term benefits to the Democratic party of increasing the Hispanic demographic. An incredible betrayal of democracy. And as we know the Russian collusion dossier ran for years in the media. All complete lies. And I haven't mentioned the pressure on social media companies to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story priority to an election (the facts of which were all true). You'll note that at no point has anybody been held to account for any of the above. But if you (alledgedly) paid some hush money to a woman 7 years ago (years past the statute of limitations) well, you're gonna be held to account then of course.
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      > Hunter Biden's business partner outlines Joe Biden's involvement "The evidence sits on these three phones, I don’t want to go into anything any further. This will all be discussed with Senator Johnson and his committee and the American people can decide what’s fact" That's pretty weak. > You'd have to be pretty naive not to acknowledge the long-term benefits to the Democratic party of increasing the Hispanic demographic. An incredible betrayal of democracy. Children that are born here, voting decades from now? They're not just going to blindly follow one party. That's not a betrayal of democracy. > You'll note that at no point has anybody been held to account for any of the above. You can't hold someone to account for making a bad dossier any more than you can hold candidates to account for saying random awful things about people. I don't know what you expect to see beyond voter dissatisfaction, which happened in droves. And strictness of border enforcement is something the president legitimately gets to decide. I don't know about pressure related to the laptop story and don't really want to get deeper into tangents right now. > But if you (alledgedly) paid some hush money to a woman 7 years ago (years past the statute of limitations) well, you're gonna be held to account then of course. The accusation is (probably) based on hiding campaign fund spending.

by w0m 4y ago

leereeves 4y ago

> It's clearly a crime What, exactly, is "clearly a crime"? The accounting issue is at worst a misdemeanor, unless the DA can show that the payment to SD was a campaign finance violation. But if it was "clearly" a campaign finance violation, why haven't federal prosecutors charged him with that? Bragg is a motivated prosecutor trying to find a way to prosecute Trump for a charge he has no jurisdiction over, while the prosecutors who do have jurisdiction don't think it's worth prosecuting. And that's dangerous. Prosecutions should not be motivated by politics.

kelseyfrog 4y ago

> I think public figures (especially politicians) should be held to a higher standard than mere-mortals; but many seem to believe the opposite. I think people should be seen as equals before the law. Having one set of standards[law] for one group and a different set for another group is antithetical to rule of law which is purportedly a common American value FWIW.

lazyeye 4y ago

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Dylan16807 4y ago
> running your family as a syndicate Evidence? And offspring doing something on their own doesn't count. > illegal immigrants in order to sway voter demographics That's not how voting works. > dossier full of lies about your opponent Sure that one counts. Sometimes both choices are bad. But one candidate doing something bad doesn't mean you increase what the other candidate can get away with.
- lazyeye 4y ago
  Comer Reveals Biden Family Members Receiving Payments from Chinese Energy Company https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-biden-family-members-receiving-payments-from-chinese-energy-company%EF%BF%BC/ https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-biden-fami... Hunter Biden's business partner outlines Joe Biden's involvement https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-ex-partner-tony-bobulinski-calls-joe-biden-a-liar/ https://nypost.com/2020/10/22/hunter-ex-partner-tony-bobulin... Monthly encounters with migrants at U.S.-Mexico border remain near record highs https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/01/13/monthly-encounters-with-migrants-at-u-s-mexico-border-remain-near-record-highs/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/01/13/monthly-enc... You'd have to be pretty naive not to acknowledge the long-term benefits to the Democratic party of increasing the Hispanic demographic. An incredible betrayal of democracy. And as we know the Russian collusion dossier ran for years in the media. All complete lies. And I haven't mentioned the pressure on social media companies to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story priority to an election (the facts of which were all true). You'll note that at no point has anybody been held to account for any of the above. But if you (alledgedly) paid some hush money to a woman 7 years ago (years past the statute of limitations) well, you're gonna be held to account then of course.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    > Hunter Biden's business partner outlines Joe Biden's involvement "The evidence sits on these three phones, I don’t want to go into anything any further. This will all be discussed with Senator Johnson and his committee and the American people can decide what’s fact" That's pretty weak. > You'd have to be pretty naive not to acknowledge the long-term benefits to the Democratic party of increasing the Hispanic demographic. An incredible betrayal of democracy. Children that are born here, voting decades from now? They're not just going to blindly follow one party. That's not a betrayal of democracy. > You'll note that at no point has anybody been held to account for any of the above. You can't hold someone to account for making a bad dossier any more than you can hold candidates to account for saying random awful things about people. I don't know what you expect to see beyond voter dissatisfaction, which happened in droves. And strictness of border enforcement is something the president legitimately gets to decide. I don't know about pressure related to the laptop story and don't really want to get deeper into tangents right now. > But if you (alledgedly) paid some hush money to a woman 7 years ago (years past the statute of limitations) well, you're gonna be held to account then of course. The accusation is (probably) based on hiding campaign fund spending.