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> The only fix is to have police on the highway randomly pulling over trucks, and checking that the driving license of the actual driver matches who the compute

> The only fix is to have police on the highway randomly pulling over trucks, and checking that the driving license of the actual driver matches who the computer thinks is the driver. This is super, super common. Interestingly enough, if your federal scores (FMCSA ratings) drop too low, the police are obliged to stop the truck. Needless to say, this is not conducive to a prosperous future in trucking. More generally, this will keep happening until drivers start getting paid for their time at pickup/dropoff. Right now, the suppliers can basically just ignore the driver for as long as they want, as it doesn't cost them anything. The driver, however, is capped at 10 hours driving or 14 hours total, so they have to lie and pretend to sleep when at a destination. Truckers are basically where instant delivery meets the cold, hard realities of physical existence.

ok_dad 4y ago
Can you imagine if software engineers were only paid for coding, and any other time we used to prepare for that task or deploy the code was unpaid? There would be buildings on fire in SF! For truckers, though, if you're not driving you're not being paid. So dumb.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  Can you imagine if there was some web forum where upper management types were talking about software developers the way we're talking about truckers in here? Federal licensing, lifetime industry ban for your second bug violation, video monitoring and keycard access, etc, etc. Imagine if the stuff that's being floated in here for truckers was instead being floated for us. It'd be like forcing your average CRUD developer to work in a SCIF. There would be an uproar. I hope nobody wonders why educated white collar professionals historically don't do too well at the hands of the lower classes when regimes change.
VBprogrammer 4y ago
I don't know much about the American trucking industry but it seems like this problem is similar in the UK. Except often times, particularly in the South of England the businesses often don't have room for waiting trucks so expect drivers to turn up exactly on schedule with little leeway before and even less after their scheduled deliver slot. This can result in trucks effectively driving in circles to try to arrive at the correct time. If I was a owner of a trucking company I would be livid at the waste of employee, expensive capital asset (the truck), and fuel. I would definitely be tracking this behaviour from clients and factor that into quotes and contracts.
- disgruntledphd2 4y ago
  Yeah, it's really really bad for truckers everywhere. Basically just-in-time wouldn't work without them, and they have the least amount of power in the situation so they get screwed. No wonder they can't get people to do it. > I would definitely be tracking this behaviour from clients and factor that into quotes and contracts. Yeah, I think they'd like to, but that basically means you'll go out of business as the suppliers have a lot more pricing power than the trucking companies.
  - VBprogrammer 4y ago
    > Yeah, I think they'd like to, but that basically means you'll go out of business as the suppliers have a lot more pricing power than the trucking companies. Yeah, I thought of that. The ideal would be to price it at a level which makes it attractive but draw up the contract such that excessive messing around on the part of the client results in penalties or extra charges. From what I've seen the CEO and upper management probably aren't aware of how much the yard manager is messing drivers about. For every truck load incoming there are probably 10 people throughout the business desperate for what's on that load.

ok_dad 4y ago

Can you imagine if software engineers were only paid for coding, and any other time we used to prepare for that task or deploy the code was unpaid? There would be buildings on fire in SF! For truckers, though, if you're not driving you're not being paid. So dumb.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
Can you imagine if there was some web forum where upper management types were talking about software developers the way we're talking about truckers in here? Federal licensing, lifetime industry ban for your second bug violation, video monitoring and keycard access, etc, etc. Imagine if the stuff that's being floated in here for truckers was instead being floated for us. It'd be like forcing your average CRUD developer to work in a SCIF. There would be an uproar. I hope nobody wonders why educated white collar professionals historically don't do too well at the hands of the lower classes when regimes change.

VBprogrammer 4y ago

I don't know much about the American trucking industry but it seems like this problem is similar in the UK. Except often times, particularly in the South of England the businesses often don't have room for waiting trucks so expect drivers to turn up exactly on schedule with little leeway before and even less after their scheduled deliver slot. This can result in trucks effectively driving in circles to try to arrive at the correct time. If I was a owner of a trucking company I would be livid at the waste of employee, expensive capital asset (the truck), and fuel. I would definitely be tracking this behaviour from clients and factor that into quotes and contracts.

disgruntledphd2 4y ago
Yeah, it's really really bad for truckers everywhere. Basically just-in-time wouldn't work without them, and they have the least amount of power in the situation so they get screwed. No wonder they can't get people to do it. > I would definitely be tracking this behaviour from clients and factor that into quotes and contracts. Yeah, I think they'd like to, but that basically means you'll go out of business as the suppliers have a lot more pricing power than the trucking companies.
- VBprogrammer 4y ago
  > Yeah, I think they'd like to, but that basically means you'll go out of business as the suppliers have a lot more pricing power than the trucking companies. Yeah, I thought of that. The ideal would be to price it at a level which makes it attractive but draw up the contract such that excessive messing around on the part of the client results in penalties or extra charges. From what I've seen the CEO and upper management probably aren't aware of how much the yard manager is messing drivers about. For every truck load incoming there are probably 10 people throughout the business desperate for what's on that load.