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Hmm, knowing this it's unlikely that his lawyers will let him do that. From what I've been hearing this case is really all about optics + the 2024 election. De

Hmm, knowing this it's unlikely that his lawyers will let him do that. From what I've been hearing this case is really all about optics + the 2024 election. Democrats are banking on the fact that he won't be able to mount an effective primary or general campaign if he's under investigation. The democratic opponent will be able to just say "my opponent is under investigation!" The Republicans are banking on two things: This case is flimsy and will fall apart, then the line will be "look at how the dems are doing political prosecutions". The other thing they are banking on (and polls have indicated this), that if Trump were prosecuted, his base would vote for him overwhelmingly and effective give him the nomination. For the democrats there's also the "5D Chess" aspect where they want trump to win the nomination because biden already beat him once (this is a dangerous bet for dems though). From my perspective reading the news I think the Republicans have the 2024 election in the bag. It's going to either be Desantis or Trump, the democrats just don't have the same kind of figure on their side. The democrats are going to be banking on running an effective "negative" campaign like they did in 2020 (no one voted for Biden because they liked the guy, they voted against Trump). I know this is a pipe dream but I'm hoping that Vivek Ramaswamy gets elected. He seems the lest slimey and most pragmatic among the pack. TBH I need to go live on an island because I'm just so done with the sesspool that is American Politics.

themitigating 4y ago
Trump already lost 2020 before he started lying about election fraud. You think moderates, who decide elections, are going to switch to him? Desantis and Trump will burn each other for the nomination and if Trump wins that he'll lose. The youth are going to be all over the anger is seething. I can't even look at a Trump supportor without getting angry, first time I've cared about politics. This will be the death of the republican party and they deserve it
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- BizarroLand 4y ago
  Before 2016/2017, I could tolerate Republican voters. Maybe we didn't agree on politics, but there was nothing personally distasteful about they themselves. 2017-2019, I found myself distancing myself from Republicans, it was like walking on eggshells trying to not say anything that would tangentially launch them into a political tirade or give them an opportunity to parrot the fox news talking point of the day. 2019, the pandemic happened. The loud screaming masses of Republicans went off the deep end due to their intolerable outrage over the personal inconvenience of trying to spare random "other people" from dying, even while they themselves were dying in droves. 2020, Jan 6. Republicans cheered as a shoddily assembled coup attempt dashed itself to pieces in Congress. A month later my texas republican trump loving dad died of covid because he refused to wear a mask or believe that the "china-virus" was anything other than a hoax. He didn't even call me to tell me he had covid because he didn't want me to have even a moment of being proven right. He wanted to beat it and then laugh it off, show my liberal ass that there was no reason to be as cautious and concerned as I was. So, yeah, when I find out someone is a republican today I can only assume that either you have immense hatred for anyone or anything that might show you the cracks in your preferred version of reality or at the very least that you are some combination of abominably stupid and heartless, and either way you look at it I want nothing to do with you.
  - _fat_santa 4y ago
    The news media would like us to all believe that democrats and republicans are two tidy groups of people. Fox News would have you believe that all democrats fall neatly into the "liberal snowflake" category and CNN or MSNBC would have you believe that all republicans fall into the "january 6th rioters" category. The truth is there is a vast spectrum on both sides. In fact I would argue there is really just one spectrum and that all of us fall somewhere on it. You have republicans that participated in January 6th and then you have the ones that think that Jan 6 was the dumbest effing idea ever, dont give a damn about the culture war, and just want to pay lower taxes. They call themselves republicans but they would vote for anyone that supports lowering taxes (as an example). And I'm sure there are tons of folks all on the democratic side that would each disagree with one another on just about everything except who they vote for. Bottom line is, the US has a population of ~350M and to think that each one can be categorized into two neat boxes is silly.
- _fat_santa 4y ago
  > I can't even look at a Trump supportor without getting angry I mean this with absolute sincerity: what makes you angry about him? Maybe it's because I've been reading the news for so long now but I feel like I'm completely desensitized to politics. With this indictment I find myself almost completely indifferent to it, it feels like another move in some elaborate chess game. My best advice around politics is know that both sides are playing for your emotions. Both sides portray topics to evoke a particular emotion in you, most of the time the emotion they are going for is anger towards the other side, because negativity sells. Don't give these people access to your emotions, they don't deserve it.
  - themitigating 4y ago
    What makes me angry about trump or his supporters? He is lying about fraud and the people that support him are also guilty of this. He's the greatest traitor in the last 100 years casting doubt, without evidence, on elections undermines our democracy As for your false equivalence argument. What about people negativity affected by the policies of the Republican party? You are implying it doesn't matter who's in power.
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themitigating 4y ago

Trump already lost 2020 before he started lying about election fraud. You think moderates, who decide elections, are going to switch to him? Desantis and Trump will burn each other for the nomination and if Trump wins that he'll lose. The youth are going to be all over the anger is seething. I can't even look at a Trump supportor without getting angry, first time I've cared about politics. This will be the death of the republican party and they deserve it

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BizarroLand 4y ago
Before 2016/2017, I could tolerate Republican voters. Maybe we didn't agree on politics, but there was nothing personally distasteful about they themselves. 2017-2019, I found myself distancing myself from Republicans, it was like walking on eggshells trying to not say anything that would tangentially launch them into a political tirade or give them an opportunity to parrot the fox news talking point of the day. 2019, the pandemic happened. The loud screaming masses of Republicans went off the deep end due to their intolerable outrage over the personal inconvenience of trying to spare random "other people" from dying, even while they themselves were dying in droves. 2020, Jan 6. Republicans cheered as a shoddily assembled coup attempt dashed itself to pieces in Congress. A month later my texas republican trump loving dad died of covid because he refused to wear a mask or believe that the "china-virus" was anything other than a hoax. He didn't even call me to tell me he had covid because he didn't want me to have even a moment of being proven right. He wanted to beat it and then laugh it off, show my liberal ass that there was no reason to be as cautious and concerned as I was. So, yeah, when I find out someone is a republican today I can only assume that either you have immense hatred for anyone or anything that might show you the cracks in your preferred version of reality or at the very least that you are some combination of abominably stupid and heartless, and either way you look at it I want nothing to do with you.
- _fat_santa 4y ago
  The news media would like us to all believe that democrats and republicans are two tidy groups of people. Fox News would have you believe that all democrats fall neatly into the "liberal snowflake" category and CNN or MSNBC would have you believe that all republicans fall into the "january 6th rioters" category. The truth is there is a vast spectrum on both sides. In fact I would argue there is really just one spectrum and that all of us fall somewhere on it. You have republicans that participated in January 6th and then you have the ones that think that Jan 6 was the dumbest effing idea ever, dont give a damn about the culture war, and just want to pay lower taxes. They call themselves republicans but they would vote for anyone that supports lowering taxes (as an example). And I'm sure there are tons of folks all on the democratic side that would each disagree with one another on just about everything except who they vote for. Bottom line is, the US has a population of ~350M and to think that each one can be categorized into two neat boxes is silly.
_fat_santa 4y ago
> I can't even look at a Trump supportor without getting angry I mean this with absolute sincerity: what makes you angry about him? Maybe it's because I've been reading the news for so long now but I feel like I'm completely desensitized to politics. With this indictment I find myself almost completely indifferent to it, it feels like another move in some elaborate chess game. My best advice around politics is know that both sides are playing for your emotions. Both sides portray topics to evoke a particular emotion in you, most of the time the emotion they are going for is anger towards the other side, because negativity sells. Don't give these people access to your emotions, they don't deserve it.
- themitigating 4y ago
  What makes me angry about trump or his supporters? He is lying about fraud and the people that support him are also guilty of this. He's the greatest traitor in the last 100 years casting doubt, without evidence, on elections undermines our democracy As for your false equivalence argument. What about people negativity affected by the policies of the Republican party? You are implying it doesn't matter who's in power.
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