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An individual's ability to travel without restrictions is a major factor in their financial independence. Forcing everyone to use fixed transport locks their j

An individual's ability to travel without restrictions is a major factor in their financial independence. Forcing everyone to use fixed transport locks their job prospects and keeps them dependent on corporations and government entities. It makes sense in urban areas, but not suburban nor rural, where forcing people to use public transport just keeps poor people poor.

Daishiman 4y ago
> Forcing everyone to use fixed transport locks their job prospects and keeps them dependent on corporations and government entities. This is a very, very American take where people think they have a God-given right to live in these horrible and extremely inefficient suburbs. Pretty much everywhere else the choice is "build more transit", which is actually not that difficult when there's political will.
malermeister 4y ago
> Forcing everyone to use fixed transport locks their job prospects and keeps them dependent on corporations and government entities. 1. "Fixed transport" can be faster and more convenient to get to places than Individual transport. Subways in Vienna go on a 2-minute cadence and you can reach the entire city quickly and conveniently. Compare that to the hellscape that is "individual travel" in LA, where you're always going to be stuck in traffic and not getting anywhere fast. It's isolating to the point where people from different neighborhoods don't hang out with each other because the transport is so inefficient. My tiny village of 800 people in the east of Austria has trains to both my countries and to two other countries' capitals every half hour. Public transport doesn't need to be shitty. It's just held back by backwards thinking in the US. 2. Cars keep you even more dependent on corporations and government entities. The roads you're driving on? Government. The gas you're buying? Some of the biggest and most evil corporations in the world. The car itself? Big corporations.
panick21_ 4y ago
Its so fucking funny when I hear this argument. In the country where I live public transport gives you actual freedom. Like the freedom to go out have a drink and go home even late at night without having a high chance of killing myself or others. The reality is cars are an incredibly drag on personal finances and a huge driver of personal debt, and relaying on walking, biking and public transit would give these people a much higher chance of escaping from poverty. The idea that you can't have good transport without cars in sububran environments is just idiotic. Like maybe if you are talking about endless soulless American style sprawl but even then its just difficult not impossible. Connecting rural communities by trains and buses is also mostly possible. People might still need a small car, but having access to public transit is still a great thing that would help people.

Daishiman 4y ago

> Forcing everyone to use fixed transport locks their job prospects and keeps them dependent on corporations and government entities. This is a very, very American take where people think they have a God-given right to live in these horrible and extremely inefficient suburbs. Pretty much everywhere else the choice is "build more transit", which is actually not that difficult when there's political will.

malermeister 4y ago

> Forcing everyone to use fixed transport locks their job prospects and keeps them dependent on corporations and government entities. 1. "Fixed transport" can be faster and more convenient to get to places than Individual transport. Subways in Vienna go on a 2-minute cadence and you can reach the entire city quickly and conveniently. Compare that to the hellscape that is "individual travel" in LA, where you're always going to be stuck in traffic and not getting anywhere fast. It's isolating to the point where people from different neighborhoods don't hang out with each other because the transport is so inefficient. My tiny village of 800 people in the east of Austria has trains to both my countries and to two other countries' capitals every half hour. Public transport doesn't need to be shitty. It's just held back by backwards thinking in the US. 2. Cars keep you even more dependent on corporations and government entities. The roads you're driving on? Government. The gas you're buying? Some of the biggest and most evil corporations in the world. The car itself? Big corporations.

panick21_ 4y ago

Its so fucking funny when I hear this argument. In the country where I live public transport gives you actual freedom. Like the freedom to go out have a drink and go home even late at night without having a high chance of killing myself or others. The reality is cars are an incredibly drag on personal finances and a huge driver of personal debt, and relaying on walking, biking and public transit would give these people a much higher chance of escaping from poverty. The idea that you can't have good transport without cars in sububran environments is just idiotic. Like maybe if you are talking about endless soulless American style sprawl but even then its just difficult not impossible. Connecting rural communities by trains and buses is also mostly possible. People might still need a small car, but having access to public transit is still a great thing that would help people.