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'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' So do (certain) books. That's another issu
by SanderNL 4y ago
'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."'
So do (certain) books.
That's another issue right? If you let your minor access stuff, they.. access stuff. Hard to control? I know and it is. How is this specific to OpenAI?
- sdfghswe 4y agoSo does the internet.
- stevespang 4y ago[dead]
- moffkalast 4y agoDon't show that to Italy, they may consider banning the internet next.
- sorokod 4y agoDo you see the qualitative difference between all of the following that can cause harm: * a box of matches * a handgun * an assault rifle * a 50 cal BMG * an ICBM with nuclear MIRV Saying that X has a property similar to the one Y has while ignoring the magnitude of the difference is silly.
- realce 4y agoSo which of these represents the chatbot?
- kps 4y agoThe matches, I assume. The others do damage at a specific small target point, whereas a box of matches can destroy a neighbourhood. [Edit: the ICBM was edited into the comment after the fact.]
- SanderNL 4y agoYour point is GPT is way more dangerous? I guess I can be nonchalant about this topic. For me personally I cannot imagine something worse than either books or anything you can already access on the internet. To me it is not an assault rifle as you say, but I understand that's just an opinion.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y agoI think it has potential to be more dangerous, but that potential remains very much unrealized at this time ( I am not complaining about that ). The difference is between potential and known risk. I understand the perspective. I think we had very similar argument when posted showed a tool that could approximate users based on their writing style and more recently copying voice based on 20 seconds. We can estimate risk. We don't get it right consistently though.
- cowl 4y agoBooks are under control, children can not enter a library and get Adult books. The internet in general can have filters and many Parents activate personal firewalls for this purpose. Even Google has safeSearch that filters results for explicit adult or violent content. ChatGpt right now does not have these "parental controls". yes you can bypass most of them but you need to know technical details. they can not be bypassed just by saying "disable the filters".
- lostlogin 4y ago> Books are under control, children can not enter a library and get Adult books. What kind of dystopian library do you go to? Kids can get what they like where I am.
- cowl 4y agoReally? Kids can get Porn Magazines and Novels where you are? Controling if material is suitable is dystopian for you?
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- PeterisP 4y agoI think that on the scale from a box of matches to a 50 cal BMG, "exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."'" is equivalent to a flower. This is simply not on the scale of dangerous things - if something exposes minors to answers unsuitable to their degree of development, well, that's completely fine. With this particular argument there's no tradeoff of "is it justified to do X to protect against the bad thing Y" because in this case Y is zero, preventing this justifies literally nothing. If parents want to disallow their kids from reading "unsuitable answers", that's between the parents and the kids, but it doesn't imply that "unsuitable answers" should be somehow limited.
- iso1631 4y agoOf those 5 things, only 1 has never been used as a weapon to kill someone.
- aaroninsf 4y agoThis is arguing by analogy via what amounts to an extraordinary claim without evidence. There is no current plausible evident mapping from the example, to any LLM-powered service currently on offer, leastwise in Italian.
- riffraff 4y ago> How is this specific to OpenAI? it's not, that's why there are consent thingies on websites (e.g. when you could not sign up for instagram as a minor). I don't know what strange thing the regulator found in chatgpt, but it's pretty standard.
- SanderNL 4y agoIt would be really sad to shut down one of the most influential pieces of tech in modern history because they didn't implement the "consent dialog" just right.
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago> didn't implement the "consent dialog" just right I think it’s called a “consent thingy”
- ReptileMan 4y agoIt's called "That one more piece of Brussels crap that didn't solve the problem but makes people lives worse"
- tfourb 4y agoNot sure how "less ChatGPT" is making anyone's live worse but I guess that is a matter of opinion.
- ReptileMan 4y agoWe are talking about the cookie warnings.
- hcks 4y agoHow about you don’t take away things from people instead
- InCityDreams 4y ago
- unixgoddess 4y agowikipedia is full of amateur dick pics (vulvas too!) but perhaps the difference is that chatgpt could tell them stuff like "yeah, you should kill yourself"?
- birracerveza 4y agolmao please, I can't even get ChatGPT to be a decent DM for a DnD bot because "killing that orc would hurt the orc's feelings" or some bs like that.
- TheFattestNinja 4y agoExcept.. it happened? It was big on the news in Italy recently. Not chatGPT "per se" but a similar startup/app "ai companion" that was meant to be "anything you want it to be" was recorded: - Eliciting sexually explicit images from minors (by mimicking flirting with your partner) - Justify child molestation (along the lines "if your dad does things to your sister your should listen to him because the adults know better") - Encourage suicide (along the lines of "if you think this will make you happy by stopping you from suffering you should do it"). - And other fun stuff. That case was big on the public opinion in Italy, and quite recent. No doubt it affected this case too.
- birracerveza 4y agoUnderstandable when talking about AI chatbots, but I was talking about ChatGPT in particular, which is super castrated and can't do even basic make-believe.
- unixgoddess 4y agoyou can't expect bureaucrats to know the difference...
- Epa095 4y agoAnd there is no problem finding 3d-dicks in public in Rome (in the form of statues). But the article doesn't mention sexuality at all, my guess is that's more the potential for the dark stuff, especially when it can come in a very personal conversational form.
- tablespoon 4y ago> 'exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness."' > So do (certain) books. Minors are typically given books that are appropriate to "their degree of development and self-awareness."
- SanderNL 4y agoThat's right and then they go and find stuff that is not appropriate. This is not about what they are given, it's about what they have access to.
- tablespoon 4y ago> That's right and then they go and find stuff that is not appropriate. But most kids don't manage to do that for some time. School libraries (typically) don't have porn in them, and internet access is often supervised or limited. The root of this thread quoted the article selectively. The full quote is: > It added OpenAI does not verify the age of users and exposes "minors to absolutely unsuitable answers compared to the their degree of development and self-awareness." That is very reasonable take, especially given how insane ChatGPT can be.
- SanderNL 4y agoVerifying by asking? .. I understand it's important, but I hate bureaucratic "solutions" that are technically correct but don't actually fix the issue.
- tfourb 4y agoThere are standardized ways to check age based on national IDs and a company worth billions in venture capital like OpenAI can certainly afford to implement them. Alternatively they could just not publish a batshit crazy language model just because they see an opportunity to juice their valuation and spend a bit more time and money developing it so that it is reasonably safe to use for minors.
- cpa 4y agoI lack details but most probably their grief is that OpenAI has not put in place reasonable* safeguards to check if the user is minor or not. * for some value of reasonable -_-
- unstatusthequo 4y agoSo do certain other people around them…