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We are a people who have decided to be governed by laws rather than kings, or religions or dictators or putins. The laws applies to all the people equally. Ever

We are a people who have decided to be governed by laws rather than kings, or religions or dictators or putins. The laws applies to all the people equally. Everyone is entitled to a jury. A jury of peers decides. That is who we are. That is what a democracy is.

stuckinhell 4y ago
Half the country thought Hillary Clinton should be arrested for emails. Not a good metric.
- vmladenov 4y ago
  “Half” is an obscenely generous estimation.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > “Half” is an obscenely generous estimation. It is actually low by 6%, if you read “disagrees withe the decision not to recommend charging her with a crime” as equalling “believes she should be arrested” (though I suppose it is theoretically possible to think the FBI should have recommended charges but the DoJ should still not have charged, or to not understand that arrest is a natural consequence of criminal charges.) https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/hillary-clinton-fbi-charges-poll/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/hillary-clinton-fbi-...
- Arkhaine_kupo 4y ago
  And no DA could find 12 people to agree to press charges? Maybe think about the implications of that one
- SideQuark 4y ago
  Arrests are not made on popular votes. The FBI was the legal authority to investigate and decide on charges, and they clearly said nothing was near a legal threshold to charge. Hillary complied with them, didn't fight in the courts for years, didn't obstruct. The only places making such nonsense noise was certain media outlets. The only accurate info the public has is from the FBI statements (and a few later FOIA releases). Rad those to get a correct idea of what is known. So such polls are at best outrage fodder. As the OP said, we have laws. Not mob lynchings.
misssocrates 4y ago
Since when has the law applied to all the people equally?
- talkingtab 4y ago
  Never. But the intent of the law is that it applies to people equally. And we have a jury to temper that with some humanity. And here is a question - is there another system that is better? We use the word "democracy" without understanding of what it means and what the intent is. If our best definition of democracy is "voting" then we have become a cargo cult democracy.
  - kevviiinn 4y ago
    If it's the intent and that's what democracy is predicated on but it isn't then why does it matter? The purpose of a system is what it does, not what it was designed to do
    - ninkendo 4y ago
      That’s a really strange twisting of words. “Purpose” and “what [something] was designed to do” are literally synonymous. It’s the definition of purpose. That reality deviates from purpose does not change the purpose, it just means no system is perfect.
      - kevviiinn 4y ago
        My point was that the intent does not matter

stuckinhell 4y ago

Half the country thought Hillary Clinton should be arrested for emails. Not a good metric.

vmladenov 4y ago
“Half” is an obscenely generous estimation.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > “Half” is an obscenely generous estimation. It is actually low by 6%, if you read “disagrees withe the decision not to recommend charging her with a crime” as equalling “believes she should be arrested” (though I suppose it is theoretically possible to think the FBI should have recommended charges but the DoJ should still not have charged, or to not understand that arrest is a natural consequence of criminal charges.) https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/hillary-clinton-fbi-charges-poll/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/hillary-clinton-fbi-...
Arkhaine_kupo 4y ago
And no DA could find 12 people to agree to press charges? Maybe think about the implications of that one
SideQuark 4y ago
Arrests are not made on popular votes. The FBI was the legal authority to investigate and decide on charges, and they clearly said nothing was near a legal threshold to charge. Hillary complied with them, didn't fight in the courts for years, didn't obstruct. The only places making such nonsense noise was certain media outlets. The only accurate info the public has is from the FBI statements (and a few later FOIA releases). Rad those to get a correct idea of what is known. So such polls are at best outrage fodder. As the OP said, we have laws. Not mob lynchings.

misssocrates 4y ago

Since when has the law applied to all the people equally?

talkingtab 4y ago
Never. But the intent of the law is that it applies to people equally. And we have a jury to temper that with some humanity. And here is a question - is there another system that is better? We use the word "democracy" without understanding of what it means and what the intent is. If our best definition of democracy is "voting" then we have become a cargo cult democracy.
- kevviiinn 4y ago
  If it's the intent and that's what democracy is predicated on but it isn't then why does it matter? The purpose of a system is what it does, not what it was designed to do
  - ninkendo 4y ago
    That’s a really strange twisting of words. “Purpose” and “what [something] was designed to do” are literally synonymous. It’s the definition of purpose. That reality deviates from purpose does not change the purpose, it just means no system is perfect.
    - kevviiinn 4y ago
      My point was that the intent does not matter