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nice article. great to see them fight surveillance
by acc-qwerty 4y ago
nice article. great to see them fight surveillance
- burglins 4y agoGermany already spies on its citizens on a larger scale than what EU proposes
- tcfhgj 4y agotell more
- 4rt 4y agoGermany already intercepts and decrypts all private messages?
- telmo 4y agoSource: "trust me bro"
- mejutoco 4y agoMight be unrelated, but there is one that could pass as conspiracy theory, well-sourced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG
- thenaturalist 4y agoThis is a 30 year old story? How is this relevant at all?
- mejutoco 4y ago> On 11 February 2020, The Washington Post, ZDF and SRF revealed that Crypto AG was secretly owned by the CIA in a highly classified partnership with West German intelligence It was defunct on 2018. That is not 30 years ago. User telmo wanted a source for spying on citizens. I provided an example of that. It is not exactly what he asked for, but it is not nothing.
- thenaturalist 4y ago> The company was secretly purchased for US $5.75 million and jointly owned by the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and West German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) from 1970 until about 1993, with the CIA continuing as sole owner until about 2018. Literally the second sentence of the link you posted. So no relevance in the context of Germany and BND.
- mejutoco 4y agoFair enough. Germany's BND involvement ended in 1993 it seems. Not so relevant anymore.
- marginalia_nu 4y agoIt's a bit complicated. Germany still has living memory of the DDR and Stasi, and the revelation of their extensive surveillance is very much a culturally formative event in Germany and its sphere of influence.
- aa-jv 4y agoGermany's intelligence services answer to the CIA. They do not answer to the German people or their representatives.
- fsflover 4y agoAny credible references?
- aa-jv 4y agoIts not hard to find the details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Intelligence_Service https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Intelligence_Service https://thewire.in/world/cia-bnd-spying-world-leaders-crypt-ag https://thewire.in/world/cia-bnd-spying-world-leaders-crypt-... https://www.justsecurity.org/13995/spying-friends-troubled-waters-cia-bnd-jefferson-adams/ https://www.justsecurity.org/13995/spying-friends-troubled-w... https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB146/Volume%201%20intro.pdf https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB146/Volume%201%20int...
- marginalia_nu 4y agoThere's a lot more weird shit, like the Rosenholz files mysteriously ending up with the CIA.
- thenaturalist 4y agoYou are going back in time, to the origins of the BND, post WW2 and into the Cold War. Does it seriously surprise you that Germany as the aggresor that lost the war, became a border country to the Soviet block with a large US military presence was influenced by the CIA or other US intelligence services? It does not surprise me to the least. I don't think your argument is particularly strong though if all you present to make your point are well documented historic facts going back 50-70 years. You're missing a whole lot between those times and today. Last reference to the CIA in your first link is that the German gov. expelled several high ranking CIA officers post the mid 2010s NSA leaks. So where are you deriving the notion from that, today, the CIA controls the BND? Give us facts, posts, experts, discussions, anything. And recent. Not just an opinion.