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You know what happens when you ban a young person from doing something? They grow resentful and sympathize with the bad thing. If you shelter a young person, th
by warent 4y ago
You know what happens when you ban a young person from doing something? They grow resentful and sympathize with the bad thing. If you shelter a young person, they leave and may never return.
Banning Tiktok would be the biggest strategic miscalculation I've ever seen. Basically every Gen Z and half of the millennials will hate the US Govt and sympathize with Tiktok, by extension sympathize with China.
Before we flail around hastily trying to shove some ham-fisted laws down our young people, because the immortal warmongering bigoted cockroaches who run this country don't understand how the internet series of tubes works, we should consider very carefully how damaging this will be to our young people's loyalty to the US.
If the government is unqualified to make the correct laws, they need to work with people smarter than themselves or step aside, because the consequences of this will be catastrophically worse than stupid dangerous "challenges" which exist outside of Tiktok anyway and have since long before the internet.
- staticman2 4y agoYou've made an argument that I've seen a bunch of times here. It's a rhetorical argument that goes like this, the content is fairly irrelevent: "Combating [bad thing] actually helps [bad thing]. You see, [bad thing] becomes forbidden fruit when people combat it, and everyone is drawn to forbidden fruit. If you really are concerned about [bad thing] let [bad thing] be unopposed. Let [bad people] do [bad thing]. It's not an argument I find particularly convincing. A cynic might think it allows the person making it to seemingly support [bad thing] without, you know, putting their actually opinion out there that they in fact like [bad thing]. As for the specifics of your argument, within a few months to a year I would expect Millennials to not really give a crap that Tiktok is gone- they would simply move to a Tiktok clone, it would be as uninteresting as WB channel becoming the CW channel.
- warent 4y agoCombating [bad thing] actually helps [bad thing]. That was never said nor do I hold that stance. If you really are concerned about [bad thing] let [bad thing] be unopposed. Let [bad people] do [bad thing]. That was never said nor do I hold that stance. You must have accidentally replied to the wrong comment.
- staticman2 4y agoI read your post as arguing banning Tiktok would help the CCP. It strikes me as a fairly straightforward form of "Combating [bad thing] (CCP in this case) actually helps [bad thing]." It's true you never said CCP should go unopposed. I will concede, since I don't know you, it is possible someone could propose a way to deal with the threat of Tiktok/ CCP that wouldn't result in you once again saying "actually, your proposal to combat CCP would actually help CCP." Maybe you can help me out. If banning Tiktok would not result in Millennials turning traitor would you support it? Or are you actually against banning Tiktok for some other undisclosed reason? Like maybe you think the free market should decide?
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- warent 4y agoIt's beyond me why you're so desperately trying to attribute and/or uncover some hidden additional meaning to my comment. Like everyone, Ive many opinions and views. Some of mine are that we're being exploited by China, and our government is failing to advocate for us properly, covering their failures with these trash bills. I've all kinds of ideas of alternatives, to more effectively protect the US. None of that was part of what I wanted to discuss. My comment was simply that tiktok shouldn't be banned, and I gave one reason why. Full stop. Your imagination is running wild beyond that. There are many excellent comments and views that I agree with which provide alternatives, for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35368537 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35368537 Consult the others here for more discussion on these things, they're smarter than me and I have no interest in discussing further with you.
- staticman2 4y agoSo a poster said "Are there social media moderation laws? No? Then maybe start there." with no further elaboration on what a "social media moderation law" should entail and how such a "social media moderation law" could effectively offer a solution and your take away was: 1) This was a serious proposal. and 2) that 47 word post is an "excellent comment" that reflects what it looks like when a smart person attempts to solve a problem.
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- lenkite 4y agoI sincerely thank you for providing a terrific, well-worded and practical example of what is known as "THE STRAWMAN ARGUMENT". Can use your valuable contribution to educate people on logic fallacies.
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