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How outrageous! Let me close the Apple Music window for this App I can't uninstall, and that popup that says I can't save my notes unless I have iCloud, and lo

How outrageous! Let me close the Apple Music window for this App I can't uninstall, and that popup that says I can't save my notes unless I have iCloud, and look past the automatically included Apple News and Apple Financed widgets in the notification panel I accidentally opened to go open a browser that defaults to showing me the shortcuts for several third party companies whose services I do not use to get on the internet to gloat about my superior choice. /s [For the record, all of this is bad, and I constantly wonder why my government thinks there isn't a monopoly problem here, I'm just kinda amused how much hate windows gets in particular, especially since I strongly suspect disabling this is a registry change away, which is not the case for many things I dislike about the computer I am using to type this.]

mooman219 4y ago
I was thinking the same thing. Apple berates the user quite a bit to onboard to iCloud and other services; the screenshot of the new promotion looks about in line with that. If I was a Microsoft PM I'd just pitch the menu as "Apple has the same thing and users are complacent", and get sign off in no time. I think this is fine battle to pick, I have OneDrive uninstalled on my Windows machine, but I think it's a bit silly a lot of users on here are fine with functionally the same ad somewhere else, I don't want to be berated anywhere on any OS.
- JohnTHaller 4y ago
  macOS keeps a permanent 'important' notification in Settings if you don't setup iCloud. I see it every week when I use the iMac in the theater I help out at.
  - glayciar 4y ago
    Really? I don't see this in Ventura. I don't see the Windows stuff either so maybe I'm special somehow!
nice_byte 4y ago
Yup. I don't understand why people choose to rag on Microsoft when literally everyone else who has something to sell you besides the OS itself, does this. Maybe it's because Windows is from the era when MS was not a services company, and people, by force of inertia, expect windows to continue behaving as if MS is not a services company.
- orwin 4y ago
  Redhat have something else to sell besides the Os and don't for that. Not a Redhat user BTW.
  - withinboredom 4y ago
    I guess you haven’t read their documentation…
- eviks 4y ago
  I don't understand what is there to not understand: + Windows is very popular (so awareness is higher) + This behavior is bad and annoying = many people complain
  - WeylandYutani 4y ago
    People have been using Windows since 1995. Long before ads and services in OS were normalised.
    - eviks 4y ago
      good extra point. Change to the worse is indeed more noticeable
- dmonitor 4y ago
  You’re right that it’s a double standard, but to an extent, when I buy an Apple device I know what I’m getting into. Lots of people buy Apple because of the integration. Not many people are forced into using macOS, but many many people are forced to use Windows thanks to Microsoft’s anti-competitive policies. Windows is also adding this bullshit after decades of being bullshit-free, and even when you do sign up for all their services the overall experience of using them sucks ass compared to the Apple implementation.
GeneralMaximus 4y ago
The difference is that ads in Windows don’t go away even if you already subscribe to all possible Microsoft services. I own a license for Windows 11 Pro, pay for Microsoft 365, and use Edge as my default browser. But I’m still shown ads inside Windows. What more do I need to do to stop them?? In contrast, Apple’s ads are slight nudges at best. You can even uninstall the Apple Music app on your iOS device if you want. I’ve done this, and Siri correctly uses the Spotify app to play music every time I ask it to. Can you imagine Microsoft doing the same?
amitrip 4y ago
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mooman219 4y ago

I was thinking the same thing. Apple berates the user quite a bit to onboard to iCloud and other services; the screenshot of the new promotion looks about in line with that. If I was a Microsoft PM I'd just pitch the menu as "Apple has the same thing and users are complacent", and get sign off in no time. I think this is fine battle to pick, I have OneDrive uninstalled on my Windows machine, but I think it's a bit silly a lot of users on here are fine with functionally the same ad somewhere else, I don't want to be berated anywhere on any OS.

JohnTHaller 4y ago
macOS keeps a permanent 'important' notification in Settings if you don't setup iCloud. I see it every week when I use the iMac in the theater I help out at.
- glayciar 4y ago
  Really? I don't see this in Ventura. I don't see the Windows stuff either so maybe I'm special somehow!

nice_byte 4y ago

Yup. I don't understand why people choose to rag on Microsoft when literally everyone else who has something to sell you besides the OS itself, does this. Maybe it's because Windows is from the era when MS was not a services company, and people, by force of inertia, expect windows to continue behaving as if MS is not a services company.

orwin 4y ago
Redhat have something else to sell besides the Os and don't for that. Not a Redhat user BTW.
- withinboredom 4y ago
  I guess you haven’t read their documentation…
eviks 4y ago
I don't understand what is there to not understand: + Windows is very popular (so awareness is higher) + This behavior is bad and annoying = many people complain
- WeylandYutani 4y ago
  People have been using Windows since 1995. Long before ads and services in OS were normalised.
  - eviks 4y ago
    good extra point. Change to the worse is indeed more noticeable
dmonitor 4y ago
You’re right that it’s a double standard, but to an extent, when I buy an Apple device I know what I’m getting into. Lots of people buy Apple because of the integration. Not many people are forced into using macOS, but many many people are forced to use Windows thanks to Microsoft’s anti-competitive policies. Windows is also adding this bullshit after decades of being bullshit-free, and even when you do sign up for all their services the overall experience of using them sucks ass compared to the Apple implementation.

GeneralMaximus 4y ago

The difference is that ads in Windows don’t go away even if you already subscribe to all possible Microsoft services. I own a license for Windows 11 Pro, pay for Microsoft 365, and use Edge as my default browser. But I’m still shown ads inside Windows. What more do I need to do to stop them?? In contrast, Apple’s ads are slight nudges at best. You can even uninstall the Apple Music app on your iOS device if you want. I’ve done this, and Siri correctly uses the Spotify app to play music every time I ask it to. Can you imagine Microsoft doing the same?

amitrip 4y ago

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