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Making cynical blanket statements about large groups of people doesn't do anything to address any kind of issue, and instead normalizes negative behaviors both
by cowpig 4y ago
Making cynical blanket statements about large groups of people doesn't do anything to address any kind of issue, and instead normalizes negative behaviors both within that group.
Within the group, the more people believe that it's the norm, the less social impetus there is to address individual bad actors.
Outside that group, people are less likely to treat people fairly if they are perceived to be part of a group of bad actors. How is someone making a positive difference supposed to navigate an environment where everyone assumes they are bad actors?
Finally, pointing to a single case of someone who was arrested for corruption among literal thousands of bureaucrats does not make a compelling case.
- seydor 4y agoi m not within that group -- very few people are within that group and the vast majority are unelected and unaccountable to us. I m not the only one complaining about the brussels bubble. dont try to shift the blame on us my experince with eurocracy is from projects i ve participated in
- lwhi 4y ago[flagged]
- seydor 4y agothe EU is a political organization so , yes? having an opinion is allowed , but like i said there is no way to express it somehow. In fact i usually learn about EU regulations affecting my business from hacker news
- hilios 4y agoThe EU does public consultations, usually years in advance. If those regulations are affecting your business it might be worthwhile to check their site every once in a while.
- mihaic 4y agoDo you know by first-hand experience if these public consultations actually make any difference? I once attended one from the local gov, and everything was already predetermined and the debate was just a dance.
- hilios 4y agoThe proposed laws usually change before they are adopted. I can not ascertain how much of an impact the public consultation has. It is online though so the barrier of entry is pretty low. And even if it's completely useless it is still a good way to stay informed if the changes might impact someones business.
- actually_a_dog 4y agoI don’t see any facts coming from you, either.
- candiodari 4y agoThat's because the premise the EU Commission (and you, by extension) you are defending is so utterly ridiculous that it doesn't really need argumenting that it's bad. The point the EU Commission is defending here is the need to spy on every word, every bit of interaction you have on the internet. You know, "to protect the children". I mean, if you truly think like this, how about you give me a live dump of you traffic, desktop, cell phone, ... everything, along with all encryption keys, passwords, etc. You know "so I can check you're not a pedophile". Because that's what this is about.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago> are unelected and unaccountable to us Elected ones are so accountable - lets see 1. Iraq war - Tony Blair mislwd parliament, as cobcluded in official report, not held to account 2. 2008 - noone held to account 3. Brexit campaign broke electoral law - noone held to account 4 - Covid responce in UK involved handing out billions to political donors for PPE that did not meet legal requirements and so was burned. 5 - Trump... In fact I striggle to think of a recent disaster that was caused by a civil cervant or eurocrat
- LudwigNagasena 4y ago> How is someone making a positive difference supposed to navigate an environment where everyone assumes they are bad actors? By increasing transparency and accountability.
- zaphar 4y agoI have observed multiple instances where someone had proposed that and been shorted down by the crowd e saying, we don't believe it trust you because you (work in govt, represent a company, are in $political party). Clearly that doesn't work.
- nebulousthree 4y agoThat's because it's not the propositions that need to be transparent. Politicians are great at explaining their grandiose propositions. It's the actions taken and the results that need to be transparent.
- fnmron 4y ago[flagged]
- livelielife 4y agoyour response contains some very valid points around the dynamics of groups with bad reputations. You point out real negative consequences. But you misidentify the group being criticized. it's not euro bureaucrats. it's literal morons who take ownership and responsibility over things they don't understand well enough to even surround themselves with advisors who know what they're talking about. I've seen this attitude from many very wealthy people, a willingness, a bravado even, to be ignorant about what they do for a living, e.g. I met a dude who told me had a software business, but he didn't even know what programing language his own property was written in. what really sets me off is their unwillingness to find out. (oh, and that this are the kind of people at the top of our society)
- Kretinsky 4y agoYou'd be surprised by the large number of EU civil servants with fake/complacency PhDs. There is a cottage industry of PhD candidates writing theses for EU servants, for $$, to make ends meet.
- Aeolun 4y agoI think the problem is that humans are going to be human. We hold our bureaucrats to a high standard, so if the group contains a few bad eggs it spoils the reputation of the whole group.