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The five stages of grief. There is an enormous anti-Washington bloc. So what, it isn't perfectly encapsulated in a single organization yet. That's natural due

The five stages of grief. There is an enormous anti-Washington bloc. So what, it isn't perfectly encapsulated in a single organization yet. That's natural due to its rapid growth.

refulgentis 4y ago
Motte and Bailey. This is just vibes
- pphysch 4y ago
  Definitely. The geopolitical environment is very stable and Washington is firmly in control of the unipolar world order. The global USD is thriving. Stage 1: Denial.
  - refulgentis 4y ago
    You should probably look at charts of things people talk about to you
    - pphysch 4y ago
      What?
peppermint_gum 4y ago
>The five stages of grief. You're right but not in the way you think. Russia is desperate to prove they aren't isolated internationally.
- unmole 4y ago
  > Russia is desperate to prove they aren't isolated internationally. BRICS make up 40% of the world's population.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    how much is made up by the R? grouping the R in with the BICS doesn't seem appropriate anymore
    - unmole 4y ago
      ~140 million or less than 5%.
- cpursley 4y ago
  And they're proving it. The Western block is around a billion people. There are nearly 8 billion people on the planet now. On the import side - you can buy fresh Mexican avocados from any grocery chain anywhere in Russia (the logistics behind that are not trivial). As can you Japanese whiskey, Korean appliances, Chinese cars and a whole other host of products that Soviet citizens could have never even dreamed of. And of course, all the western stuff just he labels are in various foreign languages. On the export side - oil products to India, China and others are up big time. As are high tech heavy industry products (machines of various types) but you don't hear about much but what do you think powers Chinese aircraft? Nuclear reactors, rockets (hello, NASA). They produce as much steel as the US (with half the population) as well as very important agricultural inputs. And there's more than BRICS going on right now. There's also: - International North South Transportation Corridor (INSTC) - Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) - Northern Sea Route (Russia's been busy building nuclear icebreakers) - Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) - Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) And I'm sure there are others I'm missing.
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    Oh good maybe they can finally use some of their boondoggle nuclear cargo ships too
    - xtian 4y ago
      It’s comical to call cargo ships a boondoggle when the US can currently produce no more than ten per year (of the non-nuclear variety).
      - cpursley 4y ago
        Seriously. And Canada is having real problems right now due to lack of adequate icebreakers.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    in the UN votes condemning russian aggression and condemning russian annexations, russia received the support of fewer than 3% of countries in the world, representing less than 3% of people in the world, including themselves seems they failed to prove they aren't isolated
- pphysch 4y ago
  And they have, particularly when overwhelming Western sanctions failed to shock the Russian economy and society to collapse. Remember when Biden triumphantly announced that the ruble was reduced to "rubble"? That was the objective, and it failed catastrophically.
  - Tagbert 4y ago
    So, how is that Russian economy doing now? From sources not controlled by the Kremlin?
    - somenameforme 4y ago
      Russia expected (September 2022) [1]: 2022: -2.9% decline 2023: hoping for slight growth, possibility of slight decline ---- IMF observed/predicts (January 2023) [2]: 2022: -2.2% decline 2023: slight growth ---- [1] - https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-economy-contract-29-2022-economy-minister-2022-09-06/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-economy-contr... [2] - https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/RUS https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/RUS
    - cpursley 4y ago
      Try YouTube. Plenty of Westerners there posting videos of daily life.
onepointsixC 4y ago
India being characterized as a member of an Anti Western bloc seems rather far fetched considering their partnership with Washington, against another member of that block (China).
- pphysch 4y ago
  You just have to look at how initiatives like "the Quad" have failed completely.
- ashwagary 4y ago
  >India being characterized as a member of an Anti Western bloc Binary thinkers forget there are 3 states, with us, against us, and independent. BRICS countries aren't anti anyone, they are just asserting their independence in a world where Western countries have historically been hostile to that position.
  - onepointsixC 4y ago
    I was responding to the OP who was claiming that "There is an enormous anti-Washington bloc" in reference to BRICS. Non aligned movement has existed for a long time, but in the context here India is not completely non aligned. They have been the target of aggression by China which has resulted in the deaths of Indian soldiers. And the US has supported them against this aggression[1]. [1]: https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-03-20/u-s-intel-helped-india-rout-china-in-2022-border-clash-sources https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-03-20...
Zigurd 4y ago
By "bloc" do you mean allies who would actually commit military forces to a war? Tributary puppet states like the Soviet Bloc? Russia's list of allies: 1. Belarus (maybe, on a good day) China's list of allies:
- pphysch 4y ago
  The anti-Western bloc is not interested in escalating war, so it is inaccurate to view it through the lens of formal military alliance. Countries that want war right now: USA, Israel, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Azerbaijan, few others. Countries that don't want war: >90% of human population.
  - Zigurd 4y ago
    I am delighted to hear China is not belicose. Spread the word. Seems like not many people know this.
    - analognoise 4y ago
      All these fun little man-made island resorts with a full landing strip and a complement of fighter-bombers and medium range missiles, just for protection - they're just for tourism! Who knew?
      - pphysch 4y ago
        Why did China have to put its country in the middle of all those American overseas military bases? Such aggression!
  - ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
    a little over a year ago, russia literally escalated their 2014 war in Ukraine, seems russia wants war the most, having both started and escalated this one
  - jemmyw 4y ago
    Ukraine and Poland definitely don't want war right now, they'd very much just like the Russians to stop and leave. The position of the countries that want "peace" is bizarre in the media: "you should just stop fighting the invader and then it's no longer war. You don't want war do you?"

The five stages of grief. There is an enormous anti-Washington bloc. So what, it isn't perfectly encapsulated in a single organization yet. That's natural due to its rapid growth.

refulgentis 4y ago

Motte and Bailey. This is just vibes

pphysch 4y ago
Definitely. The geopolitical environment is very stable and Washington is firmly in control of the unipolar world order. The global USD is thriving. Stage 1: Denial.
- refulgentis 4y ago
  You should probably look at charts of things people talk about to you
  - pphysch 4y ago
    What?

peppermint_gum 4y ago

>The five stages of grief. You're right but not in the way you think. Russia is desperate to prove they aren't isolated internationally.

unmole 4y ago
> Russia is desperate to prove they aren't isolated internationally. BRICS make up 40% of the world's population.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  how much is made up by the R? grouping the R in with the BICS doesn't seem appropriate anymore
  - unmole 4y ago
    ~140 million or less than 5%.
cpursley 4y ago
And they're proving it. The Western block is around a billion people. There are nearly 8 billion people on the planet now. On the import side - you can buy fresh Mexican avocados from any grocery chain anywhere in Russia (the logistics behind that are not trivial). As can you Japanese whiskey, Korean appliances, Chinese cars and a whole other host of products that Soviet citizens could have never even dreamed of. And of course, all the western stuff just he labels are in various foreign languages. On the export side - oil products to India, China and others are up big time. As are high tech heavy industry products (machines of various types) but you don't hear about much but what do you think powers Chinese aircraft? Nuclear reactors, rockets (hello, NASA). They produce as much steel as the US (with half the population) as well as very important agricultural inputs. And there's more than BRICS going on right now. There's also: - International North South Transportation Corridor (INSTC) - Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) - Northern Sea Route (Russia's been busy building nuclear icebreakers) - Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) - Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU) And I'm sure there are others I'm missing.
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  Oh good maybe they can finally use some of their boondoggle nuclear cargo ships too
  - xtian 4y ago
    It’s comical to call cargo ships a boondoggle when the US can currently produce no more than ten per year (of the non-nuclear variety).
    - cpursley 4y ago
      Seriously. And Canada is having real problems right now due to lack of adequate icebreakers.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  in the UN votes condemning russian aggression and condemning russian annexations, russia received the support of fewer than 3% of countries in the world, representing less than 3% of people in the world, including themselves seems they failed to prove they aren't isolated
pphysch 4y ago
And they have, particularly when overwhelming Western sanctions failed to shock the Russian economy and society to collapse. Remember when Biden triumphantly announced that the ruble was reduced to "rubble"? That was the objective, and it failed catastrophically.
- Tagbert 4y ago
  So, how is that Russian economy doing now? From sources not controlled by the Kremlin?
  - somenameforme 4y ago
    Russia expected (September 2022) [1]: 2022: -2.9% decline 2023: hoping for slight growth, possibility of slight decline ---- IMF observed/predicts (January 2023) [2]: 2022: -2.2% decline 2023: slight growth ---- [1] - https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-economy-contract-29-2022-economy-minister-2022-09-06/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-economy-contr... [2] - https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/RUS https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/RUS
  - cpursley 4y ago
    Try YouTube. Plenty of Westerners there posting videos of daily life.

onepointsixC 4y ago

India being characterized as a member of an Anti Western bloc seems rather far fetched considering their partnership with Washington, against another member of that block (China).

pphysch 4y ago
You just have to look at how initiatives like "the Quad" have failed completely.
ashwagary 4y ago
>India being characterized as a member of an Anti Western bloc Binary thinkers forget there are 3 states, with us, against us, and independent. BRICS countries aren't anti anyone, they are just asserting their independence in a world where Western countries have historically been hostile to that position.
- onepointsixC 4y ago
  I was responding to the OP who was claiming that "There is an enormous anti-Washington bloc" in reference to BRICS. Non aligned movement has existed for a long time, but in the context here India is not completely non aligned. They have been the target of aggression by China which has resulted in the deaths of Indian soldiers. And the US has supported them against this aggression[1]. [1]: https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-03-20/u-s-intel-helped-india-rout-china-in-2022-border-clash-sources https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-03-20...

Zigurd 4y ago

By "bloc" do you mean allies who would actually commit military forces to a war? Tributary puppet states like the Soviet Bloc? Russia's list of allies: 1. Belarus (maybe, on a good day) China's list of allies:

pphysch 4y ago
The anti-Western bloc is not interested in escalating war, so it is inaccurate to view it through the lens of formal military alliance. Countries that want war right now: USA, Israel, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Azerbaijan, few others. Countries that don't want war: >90% of human population.
- Zigurd 4y ago
  I am delighted to hear China is not belicose. Spread the word. Seems like not many people know this.
  - analognoise 4y ago
    All these fun little man-made island resorts with a full landing strip and a complement of fighter-bombers and medium range missiles, just for protection - they're just for tourism! Who knew?
    - pphysch 4y ago
      Why did China have to put its country in the middle of all those American overseas military bases? Such aggression!
- ImPostingOnHN 4y ago
  a little over a year ago, russia literally escalated their 2014 war in Ukraine, seems russia wants war the most, having both started and escalated this one
- jemmyw 4y ago
  Ukraine and Poland definitely don't want war right now, they'd very much just like the Russians to stop and leave. The position of the countries that want "peace" is bizarre in the media: "you should just stop fighting the invader and then it's no longer war. You don't want war do you?"