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I want that for pop music, too! I don't understand why Apple (and other companies) don't get that there are users who want to slice and dice music in this way f

I want that for pop music, too! I don't understand why Apple (and other companies) don't get that there are users who want to slice and dice music in this way for every genre. When I go looking for "No-one is to blame" by Howard Jones, I want the version from "Dream Into Action" not the crappy radio remake he did with Phil Collins on the drums. When I listen to "Leave it" by Yes, I may want to make the connection that it was produced by Trevor Horn who was also 1/2 of The Art of Noise. In fact, my friends and I used to play a game we called "6 Degrees of Bruford/Wakeman". You could find connections between just about any band and either Yes or Genesis in 6 or fewer steps.

1123581321 4y ago
One impediment is the pop industry doesn't organize it that way. Classical does, so PrimePhonic/Apple didn't have to invent a new taxonomy to make a classical service. Apple and Spotify could use their market power to make labels backfill a more complex data format for pop.
- wintermutestwin 4y ago
  ...or, they could pay actual human beings instead of just relying on the crap data that labels provide. Although I guess that in today's world, I could just say "use AI to figure it out."
  - grumpyprole 4y ago
    > Although I guess that in today's world, I could just say "use AI to figure it out." Amazon do this and it doesn't work at all well for classical music. The album reviews are full of reviews for the same piece of music but different performances, it's not always easy to tell either. I stopped buying CDs from Amazon years ago, although primarily because they'd always arrive with cracked jewel cases.
  - 1123581321 4y ago
    I don’t see how that could work without cooperation from the labels since they, the artists and producers have the authoritative data about each track and album. Even then, going back more than a number of years accurately would be challenging.
  - nier 4y ago
    The crap data that labels provide is a big issue and it should be part of Apple’s curation process to provide us with better information. They already did by putting singles and EPs into their own category instead of listing everything under albums. Speaking of which, those also got de-duplicated. No need to stop there.
rodgerd 4y ago
From popular genres I would think hip-hop would be the one to target; pop and rock have had pretty much for its entire existence encouraged listeners to link a recording with a band, and not to think about a producer or composer/writer, and to be generally negative about the idea of different performances (derided as covers, unless, like Joan Jett your covers become identified as the standard). Hip-hop fans are generally much more interested in the producer, songwriters, and also sample use. They'd be a great audience for richer metadata and better presentation of same.
- lifefeed 4y ago
  Hip hop also has a big history of guest spots, each getting their 16 bars, in a way you don't see with other popular genres.

1123581321 4y ago

One impediment is the pop industry doesn't organize it that way. Classical does, so PrimePhonic/Apple didn't have to invent a new taxonomy to make a classical service. Apple and Spotify could use their market power to make labels backfill a more complex data format for pop.

wintermutestwin 4y ago
...or, they could pay actual human beings instead of just relying on the crap data that labels provide. Although I guess that in today's world, I could just say "use AI to figure it out."
- grumpyprole 4y ago
  > Although I guess that in today's world, I could just say "use AI to figure it out." Amazon do this and it doesn't work at all well for classical music. The album reviews are full of reviews for the same piece of music but different performances, it's not always easy to tell either. I stopped buying CDs from Amazon years ago, although primarily because they'd always arrive with cracked jewel cases.
- 1123581321 4y ago
  I don’t see how that could work without cooperation from the labels since they, the artists and producers have the authoritative data about each track and album. Even then, going back more than a number of years accurately would be challenging.
- nier 4y ago
  The crap data that labels provide is a big issue and it should be part of Apple’s curation process to provide us with better information. They already did by putting singles and EPs into their own category instead of listing everything under albums. Speaking of which, those also got de-duplicated. No need to stop there.

rodgerd 4y ago

From popular genres I would think hip-hop would be the one to target; pop and rock have had pretty much for its entire existence encouraged listeners to link a recording with a band, and not to think about a producer or composer/writer, and to be generally negative about the idea of different performances (derided as covers, unless, like Joan Jett your covers become identified as the standard). Hip-hop fans are generally much more interested in the producer, songwriters, and also sample use. They'd be a great audience for richer metadata and better presentation of same.

lifefeed 4y ago
Hip hop also has a big history of guest spots, each getting their 16 bars, in a way you don't see with other popular genres.