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There is a simple solution. _put up proper user protecting rules by law and enforce them fairly against any company_ it's simple, fair, and would either ban T
by dathinab 4y ago
There is a simple solution.
_put up proper user protecting rules by law and enforce them fairly against any company_
it's simple, fair, and would either ban TickTock due to non compliance or cripple it's ability to do whatever they are afraid of it doing
the problem is the US Government isn't against the things TickTock is doing, it's only against them being done under Chinese control
- mistermann 4y agoThis assumes that the government is sincere in its complaint that their concern is about user's data. I think that's cover for what they're really concerned about: user's beliefs. TikTok is arguably the most powerful means to spread ideas, and people in that line of business do not appreciate outsiders on their turf. The whole TikTok thing itself seems like a distraction from the contents of the bill they've drafted under the guise of only banning TikTok. Democracy as it is is a giant magic trick, and TikTok is pulling back the curtains in it, so it must go.
- creato 4y ago> This assumes that the government is sincere in its complaint that their concern is about user's data. I watched the hearing. The main concern voiced is manipulation of content by the CCP. User data is what cranky HN users care about.
- andrekandre 4y ago> The main concern voiced is manipulation of content by the CCP in what way has the content being manipulated?
- creato 4y agoI don’t know if it has been, and it would be extremely difficult to prove one way or the other. But the potential is obvious. China already heavily manipulates content for domestic consumption, and foreign information in other contexts. Why would TikTok be an exception?
- bradDonniger 4y agoUS television censors, program directors, editors “heavily censor” acceptable content. Before the internet TV was the goto black box of censored and cultivated information. No official government body does not prevent unofficial collusion. People go to dinner, play golf, define how to scratch each others backs given the rules. Americans are no less propagandized and experiencing information shaping. Prattling on about the authority of dead men’s political documents and philosophy is propaganda.
- walkhour 4y ago> put up proper user protecting rules That is a solution, but there's nothing simple about it. Obviously there's an even much simpler solution than coming up with what would be a very very complex set of regulations and laws, that would have impact across all the industry, and that btw tech giants would love. The really simple solution could be done tomorrow, without the need of figuring out what "proper" is in this case. Not that what you're saying shouldn't happen, but it's a different battle that needn't be intertwined with this one.
- paulryanrogers 4y ago> Obviously there's an even much simpler solution Can you elaborate?
- walkhour 4y agoOutright banning something very specific is much simpler than creating regulation that's going to affect a whole industry. The argument for creating regulation is not that it would be simple but that it would be comprenhensive.
- paulryanrogers 4y agoTechnically I don't think the legislature or FTC can cherry pick losers. Though I suppose that's the reason for all the discussion around the implications of allowing TikTok to continue in light of trade imbalances and alleged cultural subterfuge.
- josephcsible 4y agoIf you want a fair and simple solution that applies to all companies, how about this? If an American company isn't allowed to operate in a foreign country, then don't let companies in the same industry from that country operate here. So TikTok would be banned here since China bans Twitter, etc.
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- rvz 4y agoMassive fine(s) for repeat offences would be even better. The EU does it for GDPR and takes companies single digit percentage of worldwide annual revenue(s). The majority of these US companies have already been fined like this. The same should happen to TikTok if they want to continue to follow the regulations in the US.
- frumper 4y agoDo you mean companies incorporated in America, or companies with ownership stakes in China?
- chongli 4y agoComplex regulation like that is much harder to sell U.S. voters. A lot of Americans are libertarians or libertarian-leaning, so their first instinct is to reject regulation out of hand, unless it can be shown to be extremely necessary. Regulation in general is a double-edged sword. While it may be great in the short term if your goal is to rein in the bad behaviour of large companies, in the long run it can act as a pretty effective moat for established companies, preventing startups from effectively being able to compete. A lot of people attribute Europe’s less competitive tech sector (vs the U.S.) to an abundance of complex regulations in the EU.
- theironhammer 4y agoI would agree. I think vigorous anti-monopoly legislation is better approach.
- hedora 4y agoAmericans are almost universally against corporate surveillance though. (Look at the percent that opt out on iOS). We should pass a constitutional amendment guaranteeing right to privacy, and it should apply to both the US government, and to firms operating withing the US.
- himinlomax 4y ago> it's only against them being done under Chinese control And that's a perfectly fine reason. We do the same thing with Iran, Russia and others.
- HWR_14 4y ago> Iran, Russia and others. The proposed law specifies it's targeting China, Iran and Russia, as well as North Korea, Cuba and (the Moros regime of) Venezuela. It also has rules for adding or removing countries from that list going forward.
- Ekaros 4y agoThey actually want that data to exist and the USA companies to freely to give it to them when asked "nicely" without any warrant or oversight. They might fear that Tik-Tok might apply some oversight to this process...
- stanislavb 4y agoAnd you don't think that China can manipulate public opinion and decisions as a bad actor?
- falcolas 4y agoNo more or less than every other social network.
- dragontamer 4y agoWe aren't going to go to war vs the owners of Facebook any time soon. But maybe for the owners of TikTok. China's Navy is already more numerous than the USA's Navy, and they include advanced stealth destroyers and probably Hypersonic Missiles. I don't want to be a racist asshole like some others online. But there is a geopolitical reality coming towards us and we need to start preparing for it. Nothing against the Chinese people or their culture or whatever, but their leaders have some goals that conflict with the USAs goals, and it could turn hot over the next 10 years.
- jamesredd 4y agoIt's not the fault of China that America waged decades of war while its industrial base was decimated by the same people waging those wars.
- dragontamer 4y agoI'm talking about Taiwan. If China attacks Taiwan, it will be as obvious as Russia attacking Ukraine. And the USA should support Taiwan. Not only because we get AMD, Apple, NVidia, Qualcomm, automobile chips, and F35 RADAR chips from that island... But also because Taiwan is our ally from WW2 days and we have a long history of friendship with them. ------- Let me be clear, once again. Taiwan manufactures Xilinx FPGAs that are in direct support to the F35 project. There is a geopolitical reality here that cannot be ignored.