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I'm curious what people think about tiktok' plans. They vowed to move data into us soil and have external audits. It came across as actual good faith compromise

I'm curious what people think about tiktok' plans. They vowed to move data into us soil and have external audits. It came across as actual good faith compromises from my perspective.

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14 4y ago
I think they would still send all the data back to China just discreetly. Even with external audits it would be trivial to do so.
libraryatnight 4y ago
They can feed their users propaganda no matter where the data lives, I don't think the data is the goal, I think the eyeballs are.
- senttoschool 4y ago
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  - libraryatnight 4y ago
    That sounds like trying to cure poison with more poison.
  - throwawaymaths 4y ago
    Americans haven't been drinking enough anti-china information. Barely anyone in this country knows that a 4 year old uighur girl died in an apartment fire and she couldn't escape because the CPC officials had welded the doors shut because of COVID. Meanwhile, we do criticize ourselves in this country, a lot. And that's a good thing. Try protesting about police brutality in China. In the US you might be a hero. In China, nonzero odds you'll disappear.
    - senttoschool 4y ago
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      - throwawaymaths 4y ago
        what are you smoking? it's not like there werent anti war protests in the US. Jesus Christ, there's even a huge coalition: Iraq veterans against the war. We had a presidential candidate that openly protested a previous war. A whole THREE US national holidays are basically "oops our bad" holidays:. MLK day, Juneteenth, and indigenous people's day.
        senttoschool 4y ago
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        throwawaymaths 4y ago
        Politically, it can't. Because it's done way worse shit inside its own borders, against people, whom it has a moral responsibility to protect, and legally, too, by being a signatory to various un human right conventions. The us invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were shitty but you would be very hard pressed to argue that it was a systematic killing and erasure of culture, considering how many people the US military didn't kill. By contrast, china is actively erasing uighur culture, for example, by domiciling han men with uighur women (I am being too kind. What is going on is rape), systematically killing uighur men, and repressing language, banning religious gatherings, etc.
        senttoschool 4y ago
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        throwawaymaths 4y ago
        You don't understand American history if you're making those claims. I'm a minority, whose ancestors came to this country as indentured servants, owned by a company, so kindly sit the fuck down. In any case the US actively seeks to reduce these things while china actively ramps up its human rights abuses in 2023. Your whataboutism is transparent and hamfisted. You are an apologist for an ongoing genocide. Don't ever forget that for the rest of your life.
  - nonethewiser 4y ago
    > Americans are drinking so much anti-China propaganda Source? And how do you feel about the CCP approved perspective on China?
    - senttoschool 4y ago
      What is your daily news source?
      - nonethewiser 4y ago
        I dont read the news. Can you give me an example? If Americans are consuming so much anti-China propaganda surely an example will be easy to produce.
        senttoschool 4y ago
        Go to any popular US news site. Pick a random article about China. Tell me, what is its tone on China? Next, go to any popular US news site, find an article that paints China in any sort of positive light. How hard was this article to find? Now, do a ratio of the last 10 articles on China in these news sites. Are there any positive stories on China or daily Chinese life?
nonethewiser 4y ago
It doesn't matter. The US gains nothing by letting Tiktok operate in the US.

I'm curious what people think about tiktok' plans. They vowed to move data into us soil and have external audits. It came across as actual good faith compromises from my perspective.

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14 4y ago

I think they would still send all the data back to China just discreetly. Even with external audits it would be trivial to do so.

libraryatnight 4y ago

They can feed their users propaganda no matter where the data lives, I don't think the data is the goal, I think the eyeballs are.

senttoschool 4y ago
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- libraryatnight 4y ago
  That sounds like trying to cure poison with more poison.
- throwawaymaths 4y ago
  Americans haven't been drinking enough anti-china information. Barely anyone in this country knows that a 4 year old uighur girl died in an apartment fire and she couldn't escape because the CPC officials had welded the doors shut because of COVID. Meanwhile, we do criticize ourselves in this country, a lot. And that's a good thing. Try protesting about police brutality in China. In the US you might be a hero. In China, nonzero odds you'll disappear.
  - senttoschool 4y ago
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    - throwawaymaths 4y ago
      what are you smoking? it's not like there werent anti war protests in the US. Jesus Christ, there's even a huge coalition: Iraq veterans against the war. We had a presidential candidate that openly protested a previous war. A whole THREE US national holidays are basically "oops our bad" holidays:. MLK day, Juneteenth, and indigenous people's day.
      - senttoschool 4y ago
        [flagged]
        throwawaymaths 4y ago
        Politically, it can't. Because it's done way worse shit inside its own borders, against people, whom it has a moral responsibility to protect, and legally, too, by being a signatory to various un human right conventions. The us invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were shitty but you would be very hard pressed to argue that it was a systematic killing and erasure of culture, considering how many people the US military didn't kill. By contrast, china is actively erasing uighur culture, for example, by domiciling han men with uighur women (I am being too kind. What is going on is rape), systematically killing uighur men, and repressing language, banning religious gatherings, etc.
        senttoschool 4y ago
        [flagged]
        throwawaymaths 4y ago
        You don't understand American history if you're making those claims. I'm a minority, whose ancestors came to this country as indentured servants, owned by a company, so kindly sit the fuck down. In any case the US actively seeks to reduce these things while china actively ramps up its human rights abuses in 2023. Your whataboutism is transparent and hamfisted. You are an apologist for an ongoing genocide. Don't ever forget that for the rest of your life.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  > Americans are drinking so much anti-China propaganda Source? And how do you feel about the CCP approved perspective on China?
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    What is your daily news source?
    - nonethewiser 4y ago
      I dont read the news. Can you give me an example? If Americans are consuming so much anti-China propaganda surely an example will be easy to produce.
      - senttoschool 4y ago
        Go to any popular US news site. Pick a random article about China. Tell me, what is its tone on China? Next, go to any popular US news site, find an article that paints China in any sort of positive light. How hard was this article to find? Now, do a ratio of the last 10 articles on China in these news sites. Are there any positive stories on China or daily Chinese life?

nonethewiser 4y ago

It doesn't matter. The US gains nothing by letting Tiktok operate in the US.