5 ms·
China doesn't allow the US equivalent of TikTok in China, itself. I think that's a pretty solid argument ...
by bsder 4y ago
China doesn't allow the US equivalent of TikTok in China, itself.
I think that's a pretty solid argument ...
- AirMax98 4y agoRight, but the US is supposedly much more of a country of liberty.
- cscurmudgeon 4y agoThat's the paradox of tolerance. Should the US tolerate an app that has a high and known risk of reducing liberty?
- djkoolaide 4y agocan you please explain how a phone app will reduce liberty
- cscurmudgeon 4y agohttps://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/tiktok-ceo-says-it-wasnt-spying-when-bytedance-employees-surveilled-journalists/ https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/tiktok-ceo-says-it-wasnt-s... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/technology/byte-dance-tik-tok-internal-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/technology/byte-dance-tik... https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/android-app-from-china-executed-0-day-exploit-on-millions-of-devices/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/andro...
- cscurmudgeon 4y agoAnd downvoted when presented with obvious evidence lol.
- nonethewiser 4y agoIt is indeed a country of far more liberty than China. The simple fact that the uniparty government can rewrite the Chinese constitution at will says everything you need to know.
- Barrin92 4y agoUnless you think China is a role model it probably isn't. As Milton Friedman said, don't do to yourself what you do to an enemy in times of war. A ban on TikTok is doing to your own people what trade sanctions are to a foreign country.
- nonethewiser 4y agoWhat were his view on drugs though? I think this is more like banning drugs in some sense. Not to mention the propaganda/spying angle. edit: Looks like he thought they should be legal.
- AlexandrB 4y agoThe real victims of China's policy are their own population who, as a result, does not have access to information that the government deems "bad". So the real victims of the US equivalent policy would be who again? Because I assure you TikTok will be fine. But now a precedent will have been set for the US government banning apps from citizens' phones for national security reasons.
- nonethewiser 4y agoThat reasoning doesnt work because we are talking about banning Tiktok, not setting up a firewall around the US.
- throwawaymaths 4y agoDoubtful a TikTok ban would come in the form of banning users from using the app, exactly because that infringes on individual liberties. Ban is being used loosely: it Most likely would come in the form of disallowing direct access, blocking ip ranges, etc, corporate dissolution, blocking TikTok from banking system, or the like. With no penalty for an individual who circumvents TikTok access. The situation that is most likely is that the government will make it so that nobody really wants to use TikTok anymore, or possibly, that TikTok can't afford to operate in the states. This sort of stuff the us does all the time (cryptocurrency exchanges, online gambling, porn sites, e.g.). The us also has a history of redomiciling companies. For example that one time the US redomiciled the entire us operations of a pharma company that was, you know, supporting a genocide. If some politician wanted to be clever, all they would have to do is say if any company more than 10% owned by a state or with any state employees in management positions sells arms to Russia or Russian countries, then all companies more than 10% owned by that state or with that state's state employees in management positions is subject to sanctions. Kill two birds with one stone.
- che_shirecat 4y ago> Doubtful a TikTok ban would come in the form of banning users from using the app, exactly because that infringes on individual liberties. have you read the bill? https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/686/text?s=1&r=15 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/686...