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>Russia is a joke and an international pariah I guess the definition of "international" here is NATO. BRICS have a population of 3.24 Billion. B - Billion. N

>Russia is a joke and an international pariah I guess the definition of "international" here is NATO. BRICS have a population of 3.24 Billion. B - Billion. NATO has a population of about 950 Million. M - Million. BRICS countries are actively Trading with Russia. America's favorite ally in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia is doing deals with Russia and Iran. BTW Saudi Arabia wants to join BRICS. Iran is friendly with Russia. >India and China despise each other and are becoming more, not less hostile. China has pretty openly racist views about India and doesn't treat them like equals in any way shape or form. You are not completely wrong about this. Still India and China Trade is USD 135 Billion. That's after many restrictions they impose on each other. In the Indian and Chinese mindset, it's a very practical relationship. Don't consider each other friends, do business when necessary. About your last point. Chinese don't consider anyone as their equals. --- The world order is changing. BRICS countries are not dictating to anyone how they should live. They are just finding new opportunities among themselves.

frozenport 4y ago
>> BRICS countries are not dictating to anyone how they should live. What? Mainland china keeps calling Taiwan its province! Russia just invaded Ukraine to reestablish kleptocracy!
- senttoschool 4y ago
  >Mainland china keeps calling Taiwan its province! Technically, Taiwan thinks that the entirety of mainland China belongs to Taiwan. The only difference between the two dreams is that Taiwan has no realistic way of acquiring China. But China does.
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    Technically, most Taiwanese neither want to be apart of the ROC or PRC. They dislike the Chiang/nationalists/KMT as much as they dislike the Mao/communists. But if the DPP renounced being the ROC and Taiwan’s claim in the rest of China tomorrow, technically ending the civil war, they know that would provoke the mainland and would definitely invade.
    - senttoschool 4y ago
      That's right. But the side with the bigger guns get to decide. Regardless, China does not want to use its military on Taiwan. They would much rather have a peaceful reunification.
      - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
        China’s leadership is constantly telling the world, however, that they might use their military if X happens, they simply don’t after X happens each time. If we judge china by it’s actions, you are correct, but if we judge china by what it says…
        senttoschool 4y ago
        The X factor here is the US.
avmich 4y ago
Ugh. > I guess the definition of "international" here is NATO. Rather, UN. See e.g. various votes last year. > BRICS have a population of 3.24 Billion. B - Billion. > NATO has a population of about 950 Million. M - Million. Yeah, BRICS is 3240-ish Million. M - Million. And NATO - ~0.95 Billion. B - Billion. And the cherry on top which is more important - in NATO countries opinions are much close to the actual opinions of people, while in BRICS R, I and C are various degrees of autocracies. Just ask people in Russia what do they think about the events in Ukraine, and you won't even need to remind them of laws which essentially prohibit non-official point of view. > BRICS countries are not dictating to anyone how they should live. This is from a different universe.

frozenport 4y ago

>> BRICS countries are not dictating to anyone how they should live. What? Mainland china keeps calling Taiwan its province! Russia just invaded Ukraine to reestablish kleptocracy!

senttoschool 4y ago
>Mainland china keeps calling Taiwan its province! Technically, Taiwan thinks that the entirety of mainland China belongs to Taiwan. The only difference between the two dreams is that Taiwan has no realistic way of acquiring China. But China does.
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  Technically, most Taiwanese neither want to be apart of the ROC or PRC. They dislike the Chiang/nationalists/KMT as much as they dislike the Mao/communists. But if the DPP renounced being the ROC and Taiwan’s claim in the rest of China tomorrow, technically ending the civil war, they know that would provoke the mainland and would definitely invade.
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    That's right. But the side with the bigger guns get to decide. Regardless, China does not want to use its military on Taiwan. They would much rather have a peaceful reunification.
    - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
      China’s leadership is constantly telling the world, however, that they might use their military if X happens, they simply don’t after X happens each time. If we judge china by it’s actions, you are correct, but if we judge china by what it says…
      - senttoschool 4y ago
        The X factor here is the US.

avmich 4y ago

Ugh. > I guess the definition of "international" here is NATO. Rather, UN. See e.g. various votes last year. > BRICS have a population of 3.24 Billion. B - Billion. > NATO has a population of about 950 Million. M - Million. Yeah, BRICS is 3240-ish Million. M - Million. And NATO - ~0.95 Billion. B - Billion. And the cherry on top which is more important - in NATO countries opinions are much close to the actual opinions of people, while in BRICS R, I and C are various degrees of autocracies. Just ask people in Russia what do they think about the events in Ukraine, and you won't even need to remind them of laws which essentially prohibit non-official point of view. > BRICS countries are not dictating to anyone how they should live. This is from a different universe.