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The only reason I don't use Linux on my personal PC is that I use it for gaming. My homeserver runs linux and at work I use Linux, shrug.

by 4ggr0 4y ago

orange_fritter 4y ago
I bought a Windows gaming laptop in December, first time Windows gaming since 2010. Currently I consistently get BSOD after 5-10 minutes of use and have spent 10-15 hours troubleshooting it. I've railed in the past about how Windows users think it's acceptable to constantly reboot your machine, experience crashes, etc. Perhaps I am too pampered/spoiled, but I'm pretty sure 99% of Windows users are just experiencing Stockholm Syndrome.
- RHSeeger 4y ago
  > Currently I consistently get BSOD after 5-10 minutes of use and have spent 10-15 hours troubleshooting it. > 've railed in the past about how Windows users think it's acceptable to constantly reboot your machine, experience crashes, etc. Probably because most of us don't have such issues. I have both a Windows box and an OS X box, and they both need about the same amount of rebooting (maybe once a week? I don't actively keep track). My current Windows box (about 4 months old) has never crashed. My previous Windows box rarely crashed (but it was >10 years old, so it _did_ have some crashes).
- ed_elliott_asc 4y ago
  If you don’t work in tech and you aren’t actually interested in tech which is quite a large proportion of home users then switching away is too much work.
- kgwxd 4y ago
  I haven’t seen a bsod in over 15 years on any of the 4 personal or handful of work machines I’ve used in that time. Last one I can even remember seeing was in Vista and it was from legit hardware failure. Can’t remember the last time I was forced to reboot either. It’s been suggested plenty, but ignored without issue.
  - sumtechguy 4y ago
    That is one nice thing about blue screens now. If you get them now it defiantly gets your attention. There is either a driver issue or a bad hw component (overheating, poor/broken connection) on the gp's new machine. I have not see one on my own machines in probably 4 years (bad driver). My wife gets one about every 2-3 months. They are identical hardware. I dropped her laptop on the floor one day by accident. It has not been quite right since (especially if she leaves an 360 controller plugged in). Forced reboots can happen. Usually about once a month you get a shot at it when they do their monthly update cycle. So if you happen to stay up past 3AM on the second Tuesday of the month you might get one.
  - xxs 4y ago
    You are not into any form of overclocking I gather.
- EMM_386 4y ago
  I literally can't remember seeing a BSOD in Windows in as long as I can remember, at least 5 years or more. I haven't rebooted this particular machine since the time it said it was required for an update, which was weeks ago. I use it as my primary dev machine for my day job and it's a gaming machine that I use for gaming daily. Something else is wrong. It's installed on billions of devices, noone would accept constant BSODs, crashes and forced reboots if this was the normal experience.
- nextaccountic 4y ago
  did you do a memory test? grab a linux usb stick and select memtest86+ on boot and let it run overnight or for how long as you can
- swozey 4y ago
  Do you seriously think those of us running Windows deal with reboots and BSODs constantly and that you didn't happen to buy bad ram or some other hardware problem?
- ziml77 4y ago
  It's very likely that there's a hardware issue. While it could be a driver bug, that's the kind of thing you would be able to easily find others with similar systems complaining about.
- anotherman554 4y ago
  As others have said, this is not normal. Your laptop appears to be broken or misconfigured and you should probably make a warranty claim. If you bought a used laptop someone ripped you off with a lemon device.
- xxs 4y ago
  Having had several gaming laptops and basically every single laptop in the past 15years had a dedicated GPU, gaming laptops are a gimmick, if you emphasize on gaming. They do make pretty decent machines for work, due to spec., large battery, and generous cooling. While many find them too heavy or bulking, but I do not mind that bit at all. However, the amount of heat needed to be dissipated, and GPUs having very low power envelop, makes them quite pitiful for the price paid.
- tracker1 4y ago
  Pretty good chance it's either a bad driver for some hardware you are running, or a physical device fault. If the fault is different devices each time, likely ram. I can't stand Windows at this point, but the experiences you are seeing definitely aren't normal. What do the temperatures look like? It's possibly just a bad thermal design or fan curve for your model.
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  > Currently I consistently get BSOD after 5-10 minutes of use a You don't honestly think that's what everyone else experiences, do you? I'm a gamer running Win10. In the past 5 years, I've had 4 BSoDs, 3 of them caused by Riot's Vanguard anti-cheat (Which I've uninstalled since I don't play Valorant anymore). It sounds to me that you got a faulty laptop, and rather than consider that possibility, you decided that Windows is to blame.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
Linux gaming is almost in a state where I'd find it quite tolerable, except that VR on the platform is still a sitshow (yes, even on Valve's own hardware) and, unfortunately for me, I've become quite attached to a few VR games. As it is though, I'll just give up on VR and whatever else I like that doesn't work on Linux before I go to 11.
- harph 4y ago
  I've been playing games on Linux daily for years now (even AAA games like Cyberpunk 2077) and this is why I am still holding out on VR. I just don't want to be forced to go back to Windows just to play the games I want to play. I'm waiting for Valve to maybe make a successor to Index with proper Linux support, but I'm not holding my breath.
  - 4ggr0 4y ago
    Have you ever compared in-game performances between Windows and Linux?
- 4ggr0 4y ago
  > Linux gaming is almost in a state where I'd find it quite tolerable Definitely agree. It's almost there. But some things are still holding me back. 1) As you mentioned, VR is shit. I don't use VR a lot, but a couple of times per year I just want to try it again. 2) There's definitely a performance hit. Some games are very jittery on Linux, while running smoothly on windows. I spend a lot of money on my gaming PC because it's one of my oldest and favorite hobbies, and if an OS just tanks the performance it's kind of annoying. 3) Some games just don't work. Mostly multiplayer games. Normally I exclusively play offline, singleplayer games. But sometimes I like to visit private LAN-parties. Which I can't really do with Linux without spending half a day with debugging. 3.1) My work-life consists of debugging linux servers and fixing them, or setting them up. After work I just want to turn on my PC and game a bit. With Windows, that's 99.9% doable. With Linux, I have to debug and fix things during my free time as well, because the chance that a game just works out-of-the-box is pretty slim for me, even though Steam Proton is quite awesome. 4) A smaller hobby of mine is video editing, which is also not optimal on Linux. Aka., I would have to find a different tool, which I've tried unsuccessfully. Basically, I use windows on my daily, free-time PC because gaming "just works" and sometimes I like to use VR or video editing softwares. If all I'd do in my free-time was browse the web etc., I'd just use a cheap laptop with Linux on it. After all, I really dislike Windows for anything else because it's such a bloated piece of shit OS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ilyt 4y ago
I just dual-boot, altought I usually try the game via Proton and it often "just works" on Linux. Way too many of my hobby stuff is better dealt with on Linux
- 4ggr0 4y ago
  > dual-boot Don't know why I never considered this... Should try it :D Then I could use Windows for video editing and windows-only games and Linux for everything else.
  - bombolo 4y ago
    what's wrong with kdenlive?
    - 4ggr0 4y ago
      I could try it out again. Tried to use it like 5 years ago and wasn't that happy, but don't remember why. I think the video playback was very laggy and I had more crashes than tolerable. Saw that it's even usable on Windows, so I could try the workflow before having to switch the OS completely. Currently I'm using Davinci Resolve but I'm not really a power-user anyways. Thanks for the tip!
  - trinsic2 4y ago
    > video editing Yes I recently switched from windows to PopOS[1] and this is one thing that I haven't found a solution for. There doesn't seem to be any good video editing software for Linux other than blender and in my experience video editing on blender isn't that great. [1]: https://www.scottrlarson.com/publications/publication-transition-windows-to-linux/ https://www.scottrlarson.com/publications/publication-transi...
    - tracker1 4y ago
      Most seem to prefer KdenlLive or Davinci Resolve (which has a free version, but many pony up for the paid version, get the hardware key). A lot of the YouTubers I follow have started using Davinci, even those sticking to Mac and Windows.

The only reason I don't use Linux on my personal PC is that I use it for gaming. My homeserver runs linux and at work I use Linux, shrug.

by 4ggr0 4y ago

The only reason I don't use Linux on my personal PC is that I use it for gaming. My homeserver runs linux and at work I use Linux, shrug.

orange_fritter 4y ago

I bought a Windows gaming laptop in December, first time Windows gaming since 2010. Currently I consistently get BSOD after 5-10 minutes of use and have spent 10-15 hours troubleshooting it. I've railed in the past about how Windows users think it's acceptable to constantly reboot your machine, experience crashes, etc. Perhaps I am too pampered/spoiled, but I'm pretty sure 99% of Windows users are just experiencing Stockholm Syndrome.

RHSeeger 4y ago
> Currently I consistently get BSOD after 5-10 minutes of use and have spent 10-15 hours troubleshooting it. > 've railed in the past about how Windows users think it's acceptable to constantly reboot your machine, experience crashes, etc. Probably because most of us don't have such issues. I have both a Windows box and an OS X box, and they both need about the same amount of rebooting (maybe once a week? I don't actively keep track). My current Windows box (about 4 months old) has never crashed. My previous Windows box rarely crashed (but it was >10 years old, so it _did_ have some crashes).
ed_elliott_asc 4y ago
If you don’t work in tech and you aren’t actually interested in tech which is quite a large proportion of home users then switching away is too much work.
kgwxd 4y ago
I haven’t seen a bsod in over 15 years on any of the 4 personal or handful of work machines I’ve used in that time. Last one I can even remember seeing was in Vista and it was from legit hardware failure. Can’t remember the last time I was forced to reboot either. It’s been suggested plenty, but ignored without issue.
- sumtechguy 4y ago
  That is one nice thing about blue screens now. If you get them now it defiantly gets your attention. There is either a driver issue or a bad hw component (overheating, poor/broken connection) on the gp's new machine. I have not see one on my own machines in probably 4 years (bad driver). My wife gets one about every 2-3 months. They are identical hardware. I dropped her laptop on the floor one day by accident. It has not been quite right since (especially if she leaves an 360 controller plugged in). Forced reboots can happen. Usually about once a month you get a shot at it when they do their monthly update cycle. So if you happen to stay up past 3AM on the second Tuesday of the month you might get one.
- xxs 4y ago
  You are not into any form of overclocking I gather.
EMM_386 4y ago
I literally can't remember seeing a BSOD in Windows in as long as I can remember, at least 5 years or more. I haven't rebooted this particular machine since the time it said it was required for an update, which was weeks ago. I use it as my primary dev machine for my day job and it's a gaming machine that I use for gaming daily. Something else is wrong. It's installed on billions of devices, noone would accept constant BSODs, crashes and forced reboots if this was the normal experience.
nextaccountic 4y ago
did you do a memory test? grab a linux usb stick and select memtest86+ on boot and let it run overnight or for how long as you can
swozey 4y ago
Do you seriously think those of us running Windows deal with reboots and BSODs constantly and that you didn't happen to buy bad ram or some other hardware problem?
ziml77 4y ago
It's very likely that there's a hardware issue. While it could be a driver bug, that's the kind of thing you would be able to easily find others with similar systems complaining about.
anotherman554 4y ago
As others have said, this is not normal. Your laptop appears to be broken or misconfigured and you should probably make a warranty claim. If you bought a used laptop someone ripped you off with a lemon device.
xxs 4y ago
Having had several gaming laptops and basically every single laptop in the past 15years had a dedicated GPU, gaming laptops are a gimmick, if you emphasize on gaming. They do make pretty decent machines for work, due to spec., large battery, and generous cooling. While many find them too heavy or bulking, but I do not mind that bit at all. However, the amount of heat needed to be dissipated, and GPUs having very low power envelop, makes them quite pitiful for the price paid.
tracker1 4y ago
Pretty good chance it's either a bad driver for some hardware you are running, or a physical device fault. If the fault is different devices each time, likely ram. I can't stand Windows at this point, but the experiences you are seeing definitely aren't normal. What do the temperatures look like? It's possibly just a bad thermal design or fan curve for your model.
Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
> Currently I consistently get BSOD after 5-10 minutes of use a You don't honestly think that's what everyone else experiences, do you? I'm a gamer running Win10. In the past 5 years, I've had 4 BSoDs, 3 of them caused by Riot's Vanguard anti-cheat (Which I've uninstalled since I don't play Valorant anymore). It sounds to me that you got a faulty laptop, and rather than consider that possibility, you decided that Windows is to blame.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago

Linux gaming is almost in a state where I'd find it quite tolerable, except that VR on the platform is still a sitshow (yes, even on Valve's own hardware) and, unfortunately for me, I've become quite attached to a few VR games. As it is though, I'll just give up on VR and whatever else I like that doesn't work on Linux before I go to 11.

harph 4y ago
I've been playing games on Linux daily for years now (even AAA games like Cyberpunk 2077) and this is why I am still holding out on VR. I just don't want to be forced to go back to Windows just to play the games I want to play. I'm waiting for Valve to maybe make a successor to Index with proper Linux support, but I'm not holding my breath.
- 4ggr0 4y ago
  Have you ever compared in-game performances between Windows and Linux?
4ggr0 4y ago
> Linux gaming is almost in a state where I'd find it quite tolerable Definitely agree. It's almost there. But some things are still holding me back. 1) As you mentioned, VR is shit. I don't use VR a lot, but a couple of times per year I just want to try it again. 2) There's definitely a performance hit. Some games are very jittery on Linux, while running smoothly on windows. I spend a lot of money on my gaming PC because it's one of my oldest and favorite hobbies, and if an OS just tanks the performance it's kind of annoying. 3) Some games just don't work. Mostly multiplayer games. Normally I exclusively play offline, singleplayer games. But sometimes I like to visit private LAN-parties. Which I can't really do with Linux without spending half a day with debugging. 3.1) My work-life consists of debugging linux servers and fixing them, or setting them up. After work I just want to turn on my PC and game a bit. With Windows, that's 99.9% doable. With Linux, I have to debug and fix things during my free time as well, because the chance that a game just works out-of-the-box is pretty slim for me, even though Steam Proton is quite awesome. 4) A smaller hobby of mine is video editing, which is also not optimal on Linux. Aka., I would have to find a different tool, which I've tried unsuccessfully. Basically, I use windows on my daily, free-time PC because gaming "just works" and sometimes I like to use VR or video editing softwares. If all I'd do in my free-time was browse the web etc., I'd just use a cheap laptop with Linux on it. After all, I really dislike Windows for anything else because it's such a bloated piece of shit OS ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ilyt 4y ago

I just dual-boot, altought I usually try the game via Proton and it often "just works" on Linux. Way too many of my hobby stuff is better dealt with on Linux

4ggr0 4y ago
> dual-boot Don't know why I never considered this... Should try it :D Then I could use Windows for video editing and windows-only games and Linux for everything else.
- bombolo 4y ago
  what's wrong with kdenlive?
  - 4ggr0 4y ago
    I could try it out again. Tried to use it like 5 years ago and wasn't that happy, but don't remember why. I think the video playback was very laggy and I had more crashes than tolerable. Saw that it's even usable on Windows, so I could try the workflow before having to switch the OS completely. Currently I'm using Davinci Resolve but I'm not really a power-user anyways. Thanks for the tip!
- trinsic2 4y ago
  > video editing Yes I recently switched from windows to PopOS[1] and this is one thing that I haven't found a solution for. There doesn't seem to be any good video editing software for Linux other than blender and in my experience video editing on blender isn't that great. [1]: https://www.scottrlarson.com/publications/publication-transition-windows-to-linux/ https://www.scottrlarson.com/publications/publication-transi...
  - tracker1 4y ago
    Most seem to prefer KdenlLive or Davinci Resolve (which has a free version, but many pony up for the paid version, get the hardware key). A lot of the YouTubers I follow have started using Davinci, even those sticking to Mac and Windows.