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Im not sure that inventing ways to make rice less nutritious, in order to allow us to safely eat more, is going to help the various co2/water/food insecurity ba

Im not sure that inventing ways to make rice less nutritious, in order to allow us to safely eat more, is going to help the various co2/water/food insecurity battles we now face. We need ways to feed more people with less food/energy, not new ways to shovel more food into fewer people.

true_religion 4y ago
It's not to help people eat more rice. It's do help people lose weight while eating the same amount when they are unable to change their diet dramatically. In the end, they will eat even less because they lost weight.
- quickthrower2 4y ago
  Skeptical. If you have the will power or habit changing power to make rice such a staple of your diet that this makes a difference, then you also have the ability to just eat less food. Same thing. Shit diet (cakes, bacon, fries etc.) -> heavy low carb rice diet Shit diet -> Good diet (balanced, carbs, protein, fat, veggies) I would say the second transition is easier. Perhaps more expensive though.
bagavi 4y ago
Why not both? I want to be able to eat rice without feeling bad about the calorie intake
- sacnoradhq 4y ago
  Rice cakes are this already. They're pressed puffed rice, usually without sugar added. A different kind of puffed rice with sugar added is known as the breakfast cereal Rice Krispies.
- drivingmenuts 4y ago
  Eat less rice, maybe? A lot of our problems with food begin and end with the idea that we need to eat ginormous quantities of it, when moderation would fuel us just as well.
  - bagavi 4y ago
    As I previously made it clear, I want to eat rice because I like it (I don't want to reduce the activity I like) That's not causing food shortage. Food problems (famine etc) in the modern world is not because of lack of food. It's because of human errors (policies, logistics)
drivebycomment 4y ago
You're effectively saying "obese people, why don't you just eat less". This kind of "binary" thinking is actively harmful and toxic, and only demonstrates a complete lack of sympathy and understanding for people suffering from obesity. Obesity is extremely costly, and causes a lot of human suffering. Finding a way to reduce that suffering is unequivocally a good thing. Not that I expect this will be any kind of a panacea (it won't, as obesity is a complex behavioral phenomena). On a purely utilitarian perspective, you're grossly underestimating how much broad impact obesity is having: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3047996/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3047996/ Just look at the fuel cost and the environmental cost and explain to me how helping reducing obesity is not a good thing for the environment.
- Supermancho 4y ago
  > You're effectively saying "obese people, why don't you just eat less" That is not what the GP said. The objection was about long term resource distribution...it's right there in the short post. > co2/water/food insecurity battles we now face The comment about individual consumption was incidental, not targeted. This selective outrage response, is woefully misplaced.
- effingwewt 4y ago
  Aside from actual health issues causing others and leading to weight gain, diet and exercise is indeed the cure. What is toxic is being offended at the very serious suggestion of eating less, especially when you flow it up with how bad being obese is for the rest of society. You can feel bad for someone's plight without bending over backwards to pretend it's not curable by simply taking in less calories and moving more. My sister had several miscarriages due to a thyroid medication she took. Once she stopped she carried to term, but gained weight. She changed her diet and began working out, and has now been a certified personal trainer who specializes in obese clients for over 15 years. One of her major stipulations for clients is mandatory caloric intake journals and meetings with nutritionists. She despises above all else the coddling and mental gymnastics people will go through rather than make impactful changes. We need to treat adults as such. You say 'complex behavioral phenomenon', some say 'lack of willpower'.
LurkinGrue 4y ago
It will also help diabetics. Rice is one of the foods I struggle with as the carb release can take longer to enter the bloodstream than the insulin that is injected.
astrange 4y ago
This is a bad way to present the research, because yes removing calories from a food is kind of useless, but increasing resistant starch is good because dietary fiber is a nutrient. It feeds your gut bacteria.

true_religion 4y ago

It's not to help people eat more rice. It's do help people lose weight while eating the same amount when they are unable to change their diet dramatically. In the end, they will eat even less because they lost weight.

quickthrower2 4y ago
Skeptical. If you have the will power or habit changing power to make rice such a staple of your diet that this makes a difference, then you also have the ability to just eat less food. Same thing. Shit diet (cakes, bacon, fries etc.) -> heavy low carb rice diet Shit diet -> Good diet (balanced, carbs, protein, fat, veggies) I would say the second transition is easier. Perhaps more expensive though.

bagavi 4y ago

Why not both? I want to be able to eat rice without feeling bad about the calorie intake

sacnoradhq 4y ago
Rice cakes are this already. They're pressed puffed rice, usually without sugar added. A different kind of puffed rice with sugar added is known as the breakfast cereal Rice Krispies.
drivingmenuts 4y ago
Eat less rice, maybe? A lot of our problems with food begin and end with the idea that we need to eat ginormous quantities of it, when moderation would fuel us just as well.
- bagavi 4y ago
  As I previously made it clear, I want to eat rice because I like it (I don't want to reduce the activity I like) That's not causing food shortage. Food problems (famine etc) in the modern world is not because of lack of food. It's because of human errors (policies, logistics)

drivebycomment 4y ago

You're effectively saying "obese people, why don't you just eat less". This kind of "binary" thinking is actively harmful and toxic, and only demonstrates a complete lack of sympathy and understanding for people suffering from obesity. Obesity is extremely costly, and causes a lot of human suffering. Finding a way to reduce that suffering is unequivocally a good thing. Not that I expect this will be any kind of a panacea (it won't, as obesity is a complex behavioral phenomena). On a purely utilitarian perspective, you're grossly underestimating how much broad impact obesity is having: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3047996/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3047996/ Just look at the fuel cost and the environmental cost and explain to me how helping reducing obesity is not a good thing for the environment.

Supermancho 4y ago
> You're effectively saying "obese people, why don't you just eat less" That is not what the GP said. The objection was about long term resource distribution...it's right there in the short post. > co2/water/food insecurity battles we now face The comment about individual consumption was incidental, not targeted. This selective outrage response, is woefully misplaced.
effingwewt 4y ago
Aside from actual health issues causing others and leading to weight gain, diet and exercise is indeed the cure. What is toxic is being offended at the very serious suggestion of eating less, especially when you flow it up with how bad being obese is for the rest of society. You can feel bad for someone's plight without bending over backwards to pretend it's not curable by simply taking in less calories and moving more. My sister had several miscarriages due to a thyroid medication she took. Once she stopped she carried to term, but gained weight. She changed her diet and began working out, and has now been a certified personal trainer who specializes in obese clients for over 15 years. One of her major stipulations for clients is mandatory caloric intake journals and meetings with nutritionists. She despises above all else the coddling and mental gymnastics people will go through rather than make impactful changes. We need to treat adults as such. You say 'complex behavioral phenomenon', some say 'lack of willpower'.

LurkinGrue 4y ago

It will also help diabetics. Rice is one of the foods I struggle with as the carb release can take longer to enter the bloodstream than the insulin that is injected.

astrange 4y ago

This is a bad way to present the research, because yes removing calories from a food is kind of useless, but increasing resistant starch is good because dietary fiber is a nutrient. It feeds your gut bacteria.