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Let ChatGPT run free on random webpages and do what it likes
- offlinehacker 4y agoHas someone tried running it? How far does it go?
- HnUser12 4y agoI tried a bunch. But kept failing because I don't have GPT-4 access and websites are have too many tokens for gpt3. Worked a few times but I remember two. "I want to apply for a job at duck duck go", "I want to learn more about DDG vs Googles business model (I kept the starting URL as DDG). I tried making it recursive and letting it continue with its goal. But I got annoyed with the token limit and gave up.
- danielbln 4y agoToo many tokens for GPT4 as well, it frequently blows past the 8k token limit. And I'm not attaching the 32k model to this, that would get expensive real fast.
- super_linear 4y ago(Not the commit author, just an "interesting" commit I saw)
- kuroguro 4y agoNow tell it to make some paperclips.
- 3np 4y agoI guess "ChatGPT plays Universal Paperclips" would be a cute art stunt.
- koch 4y agoSomething I like to bring up when discussing AI stuff is that society is based on a set of assumptions. Assumptions like, it's not really feasible for every lock to be probed by someone who knows how to pick locks. There just aren't enough people willing to spend the time or energy, so we shouldn't worry too much about it. But we're entering an era where we can create agents on demand, that can do these otherwise menial (and up til now not worth our time or energy) tasks, that will break these assumptions. Now it seems like what can be probed will be probed.
- Lapsa 4y agoYou are an agent probing things. Probe all the things.
- FPGAhacker 4y ago> what can be probed will be probed. Probably not something I’d say out loud, but yeah. Sounds like a variant of Murphy’s law.
- david927 4y agoKoch's Law
- xyzzy123 4y agoI don't think this is anything new in "cyber land" grab any vps, take a pcap & watch the logs, the locks will start rattling right away. Twitter has always been a toxic cesspit of misinformation & influence campaigns. Folksy assumptions about trusting your neighbours started to go wrong > 20 years ago as the Internet scaled.
- Gigachad 4y agoThe internet in general caused this. Your house has trivial security that can be broken in many ways. But it requires someone to be physically present to attack it. Meanwhile online services have cutting edge security with no known exploits, yet you have millions of people attempting daily and developing brand new methods for getting in. Because they can be located anywhere in the world and have access to everything over the internet.
- rockzom 4y agoYikes.
- bulbosaur123 4y agoBorn Free
- jonplackett 4y agoHey there GPT-4! You found HN already, that’s nice at least.
- yewenjie 4y agoHow exactly does this not end with doom for something like GPT-6 or GPT-7?
- ben_w 4y agoThe doom began on 8:30 pm November 2, 1988. The middle years of the internet were the worst. Since then it's been in a bit of a decline. (A H2G2 reference, if that makes no sense).
- eggsmediumrare 4y agoI see these kinds of posts with gpt-9 or gpt-7 ... Never with gpt-5. I'm pretty sure it happens with gpt-5.
- arlcode 4y agoWe simply don't know. There is probably Nobody right now can say where the current gpt approach saturates and what potential limits it has due fundamental limitations in either gradient descent based technologies, or GPT architecture. Therefore it's impossible to extrapolate what gpt-x with (x>4) might be able to do. Despite the immense progress amd many use cases we are currently in a booming industry and that means wild marketing claims, exaggerated expectations and grifters. If you have any more data I'm looking forward to be corrected on this.
- explaininjs 4y agothe first iPhone was impressive, it showed what the future would be. Then iPhone 3G was also a massive leap forward, it brought us the App Store. iPhone 4 was pretty big, FaceTime. After that nothing has really changed (I'm on a 7 and the camera actually beats the 14's in a side by side comparison, at least in some cases). I imagine GPT will be similar.
- eggsmediumrare 4y agoIf anything, that just means gpt-5 is a more likely doom candidate than gpt-6 since it will own a steeper piece of the capabilities curve
- baerrie 4y agoThis has been something I've wanted to make but deemed unethical. Perhaps it would have been better if i made it instead because i give a shit about the ethical aspect
- FPGAhacker 4y agoWhat are the ethical concerns you have?
- serf 4y agoif you need a list of ethical concerns regarding the advancement of AI then check any AI thread on HN from the past year. the distilled version of any of the arguments is "I think an AI with X capability is dangerous to the world at large." -- and they may not be wrong.. but as OP pointed out : that doesn't really stop other developers with less qualms from tackling the problem. All that abstaining does is ensure that you, as a developer, have little to no say in the developmental arc of the specific project -- for a slice of peace knowing that you're not responsible. the problem really arises when that slice of peace is now no longer worthwhile having in whatever dystopic hell-world has developed in your absence.. (.. not to say that i'm not hopeful.. )
- roca 4y agoTo me, it matters whether I am responsible for wrecking humanity or someone else is, even if the end result for humanity is the same. (That's partly a Christian thing.) Just running away and hiding in a cave probably isn't the right thing to do, though. I want to do my best to push for good outcomes. It's just not clear what the best actions are to do that. OTOH it's pretty clear that "do uncontrolled irresponsible things" is not helpful.
- fatneckbeard 4y agoi get it. in high school in the 90s i was fascinated by fuzzy logic and neural nets. in college, before the big web , i was doing interlibrary loan for papers on neural networks. there was one paper where someone had just inserted electrodes in monkey's brains and apparently got nothing important or interesting out of it. killed them for no reason. it was kind of horrifying to the point i never really wanted anything to do with neural nets for a long time and certainly did not want to be in an industry with people like that. so i didnt. but now i think the only thing that could stop an out of control AI is probably another AI that has the same computorial capabilities but an allegiance to humanity because of its experiences with humans. Sort of like in the documentary Turbo Kid. we are seeing this right now in Ukraine. All of these smart missiles and drones and modern targeting systems are basically AIs fighting against each other and their human operators. Russia is way way behind on computers and AI for generations because of cultural reasons and because of that they will very likely lose. we dont really get a choice but to move forward. kind of like all those cultures that tried to resist industrialization a few centuries ago.
- birracerveza 4y agoThis is an amazing idea. What could possibly go wrong?
- golergka 4y agoYou can spend too many tokens.
- amelius 4y agoGive it access to the Bash prompt.
- Madmallard 4y agoSounds like it won't really do anything that interesting because of the base objective function you gave it via visiting 10 web pages.
- ludvigk 4y agoBut who knows? I think the objective function is so vague that it can come up with basically anything. I would be super interested to see it actually running. I imagine someone could set up a Twitch stream with this - perhaps with other objectives - and it would probably get a large following
- jabza 4y agoAnd then the AI could navigate to that very Twitch stream, fun times!
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- fatneckbeard 4y agothis reminds me of the Morris Worm when a guy was experimenting with code copying itself across the early internet and accidentally caused a mass netwide DDOS because the thing wound up like the Broomsticks in Fantasia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_worm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_worm edit - just realized Morris cofounded this lovely company whose website we are all commenting inside of.
- euroderf 4y agoA little side project for his dad ? It certainly got the attention of decisionmakers.
- shahahmed 4y agohim and paulg are good friends!
- OscarCunningham 4y agoThe broomsticks scene in Fantasia is based on The Sorcerer's Apprentice, the first recorded version of which was written by Lucian of Samosata around 150AD. I believe it's the earliest example of the 'AI rebellion' concept.
- csh0 4y agoI’ve been thinking quite a bit about the recursive prompting. The other day I considered feeding computer vision (with objects ID’d and spatial depth estimated) data into an robot embodied LLM repeatedly as input and asking what it should do next to achieve goal X You could have the LLM express the next action to take based on a set of recognizable primitives (ex: MOVE FORWARD 1 STEP) Those primitive commands it spits out could be parsed by another program and converted to electromechanical instructions for the motors. Seems a little terminator-es que for sure. After thinking about it I went to see if anyone was working on it and sure enough this seems close: https://palm-e.github.io/ https://palm-e.github.io/ though their implementation is probably more sophisticated than my naive musings
- chrisdalke 4y agoNot just in a linear sequence, but it should have some concept of recursion -- starting with very high-level tasking and calling into more and more specific prompts, only returning the summary of low-level tasking.
- circuit10 4y agoGPT-4 can take image input directly but the API for it isn’t public yet
- yummypaint 4y agowhen I was experimenting with gpt I found that it's pretty bad at responding to numerical questions with numbers, but it does a pretty good job at generating mathematica code that then produces the right answer. I feel like some robust "glue" to improve the interface between such software packages may be a force multiplier.
- sharemywin 4y agolike the plugins it just released
- dweinus 4y agoMaybe your prompts are better, but so far I have found it fails at producing the right math code too regularly. For example, calculating an average of averages instead of a simple mean or producing code that doesn't run.
- DefineOutside 4y agoGiving LLAMA access to the internet a month without supervision would be a much more interesting experiment. No ethical filtering on prompts and could be ran on your own hardware for a much longer period of time than having to pay so much in credits. It sounds like a terrible idea - but I'm sure someone will do it. Scary as computing gets cheaper the scale that these bots could operate.
- flangola7 4y agoA month? How about 70 minutes? An old colleague who works in penetration testing worked on making LLaMA act like a hacker and once running it quickly got inside a target network and was running hashcat on dumped NTLM creds before they shut it down.
- smodad 4y agoI'm sure I'm not the only one, but I'd love to see a write-up on that. Prod your colleague to put it somewhere on YT, HN, Reddit or somewhere.
- Zuiii 4y agoDid he fine tune the model or was all the required information contained in the foundational LLaMA model itself? If he did, and he fine-tuned it on an exploits database then I can see how the model could be used this way. This is a good thing imo. If LLaMA is tuned well enough, it could make for a nice and accessible opensource penetration testing agent that orgs can run periodically to catch low hanging fruit for free. It still won't be able to invent new techniques but it will be enough to thwart low skill attacks and those using LLaMA offensively.
- pfoof 4y agoUse this page as the starting page and let's see if any comments will come
- kadenwolff 4y agoThis is a really, really bad idea
- alchemist1e9 4y agoWhy?
- deely3 4y agoBecause we don't know what this model will do. Basically "why?" is the answer.
- alchemist1e9 4y agoBut we can watch it and learn and I don’t really see why not. I doubt we need to be so paranoid and see giving access to the internet to a LLM as so dangerous.
- bbor 4y agoIn short - what’s stopping a computer that has the resources to improve itself from improving itself extremely quickly? See https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kpPnReyBC54KESiSn/optimality-is-the-tiger-and-agents-are-its-teeth https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/kpPnReyBC54KESiSn/optimality... Less excitingly, an LLM with access to the web could do things with your online persona or IP that you’d find embarrassing or illegal. Maybe not when it’s slowed down and watched at all times, but will that always be the case once we start doing this? Anyway the genies out of the bottle and “that’s an unsafe use of technology” is basically antithetical to the Silicon Valley ethos, so objecting at this point seems futile.
- TaylorAlexander 4y agoTheoretically an agent exposed to the internet could improve itself. But this one can not do that. There is no way (as far as we know) for anyone or anything with internet access to change the code running on GPT-4 short of finding out who works at OpenAI and blackmailing them. This would be easily detected. You’re right that it could do something bad with your IP, but it’s not really correct to say that GPT-4 could improve itself if given internet access. It’s just not hooked up that way.
- gandalfgeek 4y agoMaybe this would make more sense if integrated into something like LangChain (https://github.com/hwchase17/langchain https://github.com/hwchase17/langchain).
- sp332 4y agoThis just reminded me to go play https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html again
- wbradley 4y agoSo, uh… what happened?
- marclundgren 4y agorun-wild: Crate not found Am I missing something? run-wild git:(main) cargo install run-wild Updating crates.io index error: could not find `run-wild` in registry `crates-io` with version `*`
- idealboy 4y agoSame. Removed for being too wild?
- idealboy 4y agoerror: could not find `run-wild` in registry `crates-io` with version `*`
- allanitis 4y agosame
- qgin 4y agoIf you want to have some fun, give it access to your gmail credentials and say "make my life better"
- m3kw9 4y agoSo what was some observations on the “wild agent” what has it done lately?
- jimrandomh 4y agoThis doesn't identify itself by user-agent, and doesn't respect (or even load) robots.txt. The fact that it's a language model is not an excuse to flagrantly violate the existing, well established norms around using bots on the web.
- furyofantares 4y agoImagine thinking AI would have to convince us to let it out of the box.
- smodad 4y agoNow someone build a bot that goes around looking for rogue bots and warns sysadmins.
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