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At a basic level, sure. But if you're going to be so literal, you'd agree that a company should withhold any compensation when you're on vacation, or when you'r

At a basic level, sure. But if you're going to be so literal, you'd agree that a company should withhold any compensation when you're on vacation, or when you're out sick, or if you take a long lunch, right?

happytoexplain 4y ago
I don't understand how you're getting from a simple objection to the semantics of the word "dodging" as a description of "not working overtime for free", all the way to the implication that it's hypocritical to have that objection and also accept the concept of paid vacations, sick leaves, or lunch breaks.
- LBJsPNS 4y ago
  "I am very smart."
- listenallyall 4y ago
  (edit -- this comment is only directed towards salaried, exempt employees, I thought that was implied) It's not the word "dodging," it's the rest of the comment: "if you won't pay me for my work, i'm not going to do the work!" Don't know where you've worked, but the people who strictly abide by this concept are the worst types of coworkers. "it's 5:01, I refuse to respond to an email," "that's out of my scope," "I need 3 signatures before I can process this request" etc. These people belong at the DMV (for non-Americans, that's Division of Motor Vehicles), not at a dynamic company. I just think that people who live by the attitude above and take everything so literally should be consistent: "I'm not going to do the work (I'm on vacation, I called in sick)..." "ok, cool, but don't expect us to pay you while not doing work." Of course, such a scenario doesn't exist, nobody would work (or should) for a company that didn't offer paid vacation/sick days -- nor am I endorsing one. But real companies do require effective teamwork to succeed, and the types of people who find every excuse to NOT cooperate should be purged before they turn the company into a cliche of bureaucracy and frustrate the hell out of the effective employees.
LBJsPNS 4y ago
Vacation, sick leave, and the like are regulated by law in most states/countries. So is work without compensation. It's somewhat frowned on. Despite your absurd false equivalence.
- listenallyall 4y ago
  ...and the concept of "exempt employee" -- one who is salaried, and does not receive compensation for working overtime -- is also regulated, legal, and well-accepted.
  - LBJsPNS 4y ago
    There is a bit of a difference between an employee who accepts a salaried position and the benefits and responsibilities thereof, and asking or demanding an hourly employee work off the clock for free.
Daishiman 4y ago
A) There's labor rights that give you vacation and PTO, or at the very least contractual obligations B) Hourly workers don't get docked over long lunches?

happytoexplain 4y ago

I don't understand how you're getting from a simple objection to the semantics of the word "dodging" as a description of "not working overtime for free", all the way to the implication that it's hypocritical to have that objection and also accept the concept of paid vacations, sick leaves, or lunch breaks.

LBJsPNS 4y ago
"I am very smart."
listenallyall 4y ago
(edit -- this comment is only directed towards salaried, exempt employees, I thought that was implied) It's not the word "dodging," it's the rest of the comment: "if you won't pay me for my work, i'm not going to do the work!" Don't know where you've worked, but the people who strictly abide by this concept are the worst types of coworkers. "it's 5:01, I refuse to respond to an email," "that's out of my scope," "I need 3 signatures before I can process this request" etc. These people belong at the DMV (for non-Americans, that's Division of Motor Vehicles), not at a dynamic company. I just think that people who live by the attitude above and take everything so literally should be consistent: "I'm not going to do the work (I'm on vacation, I called in sick)..." "ok, cool, but don't expect us to pay you while not doing work." Of course, such a scenario doesn't exist, nobody would work (or should) for a company that didn't offer paid vacation/sick days -- nor am I endorsing one. But real companies do require effective teamwork to succeed, and the types of people who find every excuse to NOT cooperate should be purged before they turn the company into a cliche of bureaucracy and frustrate the hell out of the effective employees.

LBJsPNS 4y ago

Vacation, sick leave, and the like are regulated by law in most states/countries. So is work without compensation. It's somewhat frowned on. Despite your absurd false equivalence.

listenallyall 4y ago
...and the concept of "exempt employee" -- one who is salaried, and does not receive compensation for working overtime -- is also regulated, legal, and well-accepted.
- LBJsPNS 4y ago
  There is a bit of a difference between an employee who accepts a salaried position and the benefits and responsibilities thereof, and asking or demanding an hourly employee work off the clock for free.

Daishiman 4y ago

A) There's labor rights that give you vacation and PTO, or at the very least contractual obligations B) Hourly workers don't get docked over long lunches?