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Lex Fridman Podcast #367 – Sam Altman
- moneywoes 4y agoPretty long, how was it?
- arc4n0n 4y agoThere were quite a few unintentionally hilarious moments. Some that stick out was Sam not having seen Ex Machina and then also Sam using the Elon Tears interview against Elon in a kind of Uno reversal move. Seems to be a weird rivalry brewing.
- xiphias2 4y agoI guess Tesla will have to train it's own assistent anyways, it feels natural for the robot and car.
- paxys 4y agoThat rivalry has been brewing for many years now, and only now coming out into the public because of OpenAI's massive success (and of course Elon's Tweets). It's also kinda one sided. Elon fancies himself as the father of AI, but has failed at it multiple times, first by trying to take over OpenAI, then with all of Tesla's AI stuff. He is not a player in the industry, and cannot stand it.
- javajosh 4y ago>He is not a player in the industry, and cannot stand it. He's running out of people to fire.
- pugworthy 4y agoA lot of Lex’s podcasts are. His conversation with John Carmack is over 5 hours long.
- sillysaurusx 4y agoIf you like this kind of thing, I did one a week ago. https://youtu.be/vYhtYjXNBCU https://youtu.be/vYhtYjXNBCU It’ll be interesting to diff the two and see where we diverge. Any progress on automatic transcriptions? Seems like Whisper should be able to give a readable version of both. This one’s a bit hard to listen to since it’s not a YouTube link, which means you can’t use your phone for other purposes for two hours.
- throwaway743 4y agoIdk about ios, but this works on android https://youtubevanced.com/ https://youtubevanced.com/ Ad free, plays videos in background and after closing screen
- sillysaurusx 4y agoI meant the Lex Friedman podcast. Can that play this too? Maybe there’s an option to download the audio off safari somehow, but it doesn’t seem like it through any of the standard controls.
- throwaway743 4y agoIf you play it through YouTube then yes this will work
- lxgr 4y agoIt's a normal podcast (RSS feed and everything, not exclusive to any big platform to my knowledge), so you can listen to it on your favorite podcast app!
- korm 4y agoThat link is fake, whoever downloads from there better compare checksums, because God knows what they may put in that APK. The real website is vancedapp.com but the project is discontinued. Revanced on GitHub (only) is continuing development.
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- intalentive 4y agoWhat did Sam do to his face?
- RivieraKid 4y agoNothing, he sent a double to the interview because the Russians are trying to get rid of him.
- hobo_mark 4y agoSame thing Zac Efron got, from the look of it.
- jstx1 4y agoHe seems to think the world can absorb higher programmer productivity without destroying jobs. It's still one person's opinion but it was nice to hear.
- chubot 4y agoThat seems pretty clear to me? The web made programmers drastically more productive, and it coincided with a huge increase in both total employment and salaries, not a decrease. For example, I first used Google in summer 2000 at a college internship, one where I flailed and didn't really know how to program. In high school and even college I could write code, but not anything real. (The CS program I went to was good, but focused on CS). I think my programming skill and productivity took off when I had access to the web, and more people posted content to the web. It really is like an external brain. Tim Berners-Lee isn't wrong; we just take it for granted now (and large parts of it have been ruined by advertising.) And this is from a person who read the MS-DOS manual from front to back when I was a teenager. I also installed a Borland C compiler from a bunch of floppy disks, yet never really managed to write much of a C program. So Google (in addition to education) made me much more productive, and StackOverflow attests that it has made millions of programmers similarly more productive. But yet I lived through a huge programmer tech boom in San Francisco for over a decade -- increasing staff, increasing salaries, etc. What would be different about 2023? It seems clear that the demand to build things will just get larger, just as it got larger from 2000 to now. There seems to be a "fixed pie" fallacy in the opposite view.
- jstx1 4y ago> What would be different about 2023? Why would it be the same? Think about it from first principles instead of assuming that what happened in the past will keep happening in the future. If there's a ceiling to the demand for programming work and we're near that ceiling, and you then increase the productivity of all programmers, the number of jobs will have to go down. Is there a ceiling for demand and are we near it? I don't know. But the argument that stackoverflow and search made things better and so it goes for GPT-4 isn't thought out very well.
- Zetice 4y agoI think, overall, interview podcasts are some of the worst (and popular) ways to convey information that we as humans have come up with.
- jstx1 4y agoThey're bad because the goal isn't to convey information in an efficient way. Think of it as a conversation that you can listen in on if you want to.
- xeromal 4y agoThis is a great way to phrase it.
- Zetice 4y agoBut that's terrible, because it seems like a good way to learn about OpenAI. It presents as if you can listen to this to gain insight into how OpenAI operates. But you can't. What you get is a hour long PR fluff piece about a man related to OpenAI. But you listen anyway, and because it's appearing as this useful thing, your normal skepticism guards are down. So you swallow what could be abject nonsense. And that's why they're Bad, not bad.
- motoxpro 4y agoThink about it as learning how Sam thinks about things rather than how OpenAI operates. There is an unbelievable amount of info in the conversation.
- Zetice 4y agoBut I don't think you get that, what you get is how Sam presents as thinking. Very, wildly different.
- motoxpro 4y agoMore meta but thats all conversations. You never know how "vulnerable" someone is being no matter the medium, so again, it's up to you to understand that and gather the information that is there.
- byyll 4y agoCheck for duplicates before posting. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35305561 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35305561
- paxys 4y agoI have tried my best to get into podcasts, but am turned off by every single one being multiple hours long. Even though Lex is an outlier, the average show still has 1-2 hour episodes, sometimes releasing multiple times a week. I have tried my best to find quality ones with a 20-30 minute limit, but they don't seem to exist. Why is that the case? Is there really that much information to share? Or are they just not bothered to sit and edit their work? Do people really have the time to listen to all of them?
- lytedev 4y agoI just listen to longer episodes in chunks, just like an audiobook.
- motoxpro 4y agoThere are lots of podcasts that are 20-45 mins. I don't know of anyone that sits in a dark room and just listens to a podcast. Try going for a walk or on a commute or on a plane. The long ones are the best to me because I enjoy interesting conversations rather than edited quick cut tiktok/twitter hot take style stuff.
- paxys 4y agoIf you have recommendations I'd love to know of them, but my search has come up empty. There's a world of difference between a 10 second TikTok clip and a 25 minute episode of some show. The latter used to be enough time to get an entire day's worth of news not too long ago. So I don't think that the medium fundamentally needs to be movie length to be effective. I suspect it's simply the case that shorter, more information-dense content takes a longer time to produce. It's a lot easier to have a 3 hour conversation with someone and dump it online. And I understand that there's an audience for just that. I do also think that there's a huge gap for short form podcast content waiting to be filled.
- motoxpro 4y agoPattern Recognition is the most similar to a "Lex style interview show" but there are many episodes in the 20-40 min range. Mostly with founders of companies. Really really good interviews. https://open.spotify.com/show/3Q267Ar7l43e1NeQIvUanv?si=2b7e3eb0e74a41b1 https://open.spotify.com/show/3Q267Ar7l43e1NeQIvUanv?si=2b7e... Indicator by Planet Money is 15 mins with news about the economy in a fun way Adam Grant's podcast has a bunch of episodes that are 40-45 mins about organizational psych that are awesome. This is the highly produced one you are looking for https://open.spotify.com/show/0uFXKiNiC05GOrjE9AXnkn?si=217203d7554d424a https://open.spotify.com/show/0uFXKiNiC05GOrjE9AXnkn?si=2172... HBR's ideacast presents an idea in a rigorous info dense way in 20-40 mins https://open.spotify.com/show/4gtSBBxIAE142ApX6LqsvN?si=6fe6225efc8b4a65 https://open.spotify.com/show/4gtSBBxIAE142ApX6LqsvN?si=6fe6... Paid ones: https://dithering.fm/ https://dithering.fm/ Ben Thompson and John Gruber have a 15 min conversation about latest strategy and tech news. The Stratechery podcsast (ben reads articles) is about 15-20 mins. There are tons and tons of any style you want. Just tried to choose some that matched business/founder/interview/idea that this one hit on.
- longitudinal93 4y agoMost decent apps will allow you to speed up. Try dialing it up until you hit your personal maximum transmission rate.
- lagrange77 4y agoI do that with video tutorials and it sometimes make me feel like Johnny No 5.
- d4rkp4ttern 4y agoI avoid “celebrity” podcasts and rather listen to researchers with real experience in the trenches. For LLMs I’ve recently liked listening to Ilya Sutskever on Clearer Thinking and Eye on AI. Anyone recommend any others in this vein, on this topic?
- TechBro8615 4y agoI watched it. It was overall a good interview, and I think Altman comes off as much less of a woke nazi than some have assumed he is. I think the political bias issue is one that will become less important over time, and Altman also seems to understand why it pisses people off. I liked the quote about Steve Jobs adding a handle to the computer because you shouldn't trust anything you can't throw out a window. I was also pleasantly surprised at how open he sounds to things like open sourcing the model weights. Overall, he seems fairly grounded in reality and I came away from the interview feeling less judgmental of the guy than I did before it. Lex Fridman remains as annoying as ever.
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