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So this is very impressive and looks like a solid lowering of barrier to entry which is great….but that app is around 300 lines of code in one file that fetches

So this is very impressive and looks like a solid lowering of barrier to entry which is great….but that app is around 300 lines of code in one file that fetches data on 5 movies, screenshots are not cropped correctly and the pager doesn’t swipe back to the first dot. I am bit surprised it made it through the review process. Not hating I think it is great to make this stuff more approachable but not convinced junior devs are in danger yet.

nopinsight 4y ago
GPT-3 was released less than 3 years ago and it was far from capable of this.
- mrbombastic 4y ago
  Sure and it is impressive but the upper bounds of AI products are hard to predict. That said things are changing fast I don’t know what tomorrow will bring.
- mjburgess 4y ago
  Exponential curves are theoretical constructs: all actual phenomena are S-shaped. The question is only when does the "exponential regime" turn into the flat; and the answer is often fairly obvious if you don't begin from the "time = magic" premise. There's an entire industry of public (pseudo)-intellectual who's schtick is to draw logistic phenomena with exponential curves and then cry, "the sky is falling!".
  - nopinsight 4y ago
    On the contrary, few experts expected this performance from an AI this soon too. If you can identify one or two aspects of the human “general” intelligence that an AI cannot ever possess, even in principle, I think a lot of people would be grateful.
    - mjburgess 4y ago
      In animals, propositional knowledge is built from procedural knowledge; and it can't really be otherwise. What AI does at the moment is approximate propositional knowlegde with statistical associations, rather than take the procedural route. But this fails because P(A|B) doesnt say whether A causes B, B causes A, A is B, A and B are causally unrelated, etc. What is the procedural route? To perform actions with your body so as to disambiguate the cases. Animals have causal models of their bodies which are unambiguous and their actions are intentional and goal-directed and effectively "express hypotheses" about the nature of the world. In doing so, they can build actual knowledge of it. There's at least some good reasons to suppose that "bodies which express hypotheses in their actions" require organic properties to do so: becuase you have to have adaption from bottom-up to top-down to really have "the mind" grow the body in the relevant ways. In other words, every action an animal performs isnt clockwork: in acting, it's body and mind change. Every action is a top-down, bottom-up whole change to the animal.
      - nopinsight 4y ago
        This is a very interesting hypothesis that could be quite true for living beings. What I disagree with is that having an animal-like body is necessary for the process of forming a world model. A simulation could be sufficient. And there is already work on that front. (Also, I would not characterize deep-learning-based AI as trying to form propositional knowledge. In fact, its great performance partly stems from not dealing with propositional knowledge directly.) If a body is in fact necessary, PaLM-E could be paving a way toward it as well. https://ai.googleblog.com/2023/03/palm-e-embodied-multimodal-language.html https://ai.googleblog.com/2023/03/palm-e-embodied-multimodal...
      - nopinsight 4y ago
        You might be interested in this thread by a DeepMind’s research scientist. https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewLampinen/status/1639660219759312896 https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewLampinen/status/16396602197...
  - automatic6131 4y ago
    >Exponential curves are theoretical constructs: all actual phenomena are S-shaped. This. I've been thinking much the same recently, although not expressed so succinctly. Nothing in nature is ever exponential (for very long).

nopinsight 4y ago

GPT-3 was released less than 3 years ago and it was far from capable of this.

mrbombastic 4y ago
Sure and it is impressive but the upper bounds of AI products are hard to predict. That said things are changing fast I don’t know what tomorrow will bring.
mjburgess 4y ago
Exponential curves are theoretical constructs: all actual phenomena are S-shaped. The question is only when does the "exponential regime" turn into the flat; and the answer is often fairly obvious if you don't begin from the "time = magic" premise. There's an entire industry of public (pseudo)-intellectual who's schtick is to draw logistic phenomena with exponential curves and then cry, "the sky is falling!".
- nopinsight 4y ago
  On the contrary, few experts expected this performance from an AI this soon too. If you can identify one or two aspects of the human “general” intelligence that an AI cannot ever possess, even in principle, I think a lot of people would be grateful.
  - mjburgess 4y ago
    In animals, propositional knowledge is built from procedural knowledge; and it can't really be otherwise. What AI does at the moment is approximate propositional knowlegde with statistical associations, rather than take the procedural route. But this fails because P(A|B) doesnt say whether A causes B, B causes A, A is B, A and B are causally unrelated, etc. What is the procedural route? To perform actions with your body so as to disambiguate the cases. Animals have causal models of their bodies which are unambiguous and their actions are intentional and goal-directed and effectively "express hypotheses" about the nature of the world. In doing so, they can build actual knowledge of it. There's at least some good reasons to suppose that "bodies which express hypotheses in their actions" require organic properties to do so: becuase you have to have adaption from bottom-up to top-down to really have "the mind" grow the body in the relevant ways. In other words, every action an animal performs isnt clockwork: in acting, it's body and mind change. Every action is a top-down, bottom-up whole change to the animal.
    - nopinsight 4y ago
      This is a very interesting hypothesis that could be quite true for living beings. What I disagree with is that having an animal-like body is necessary for the process of forming a world model. A simulation could be sufficient. And there is already work on that front. (Also, I would not characterize deep-learning-based AI as trying to form propositional knowledge. In fact, its great performance partly stems from not dealing with propositional knowledge directly.) If a body is in fact necessary, PaLM-E could be paving a way toward it as well. https://ai.googleblog.com/2023/03/palm-e-embodied-multimodal-language.html https://ai.googleblog.com/2023/03/palm-e-embodied-multimodal...
    - nopinsight 4y ago
      You might be interested in this thread by a DeepMind’s research scientist. https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewLampinen/status/1639660219759312896 https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewLampinen/status/16396602197...
- automatic6131 4y ago
  >Exponential curves are theoretical constructs: all actual phenomena are S-shaped. This. I've been thinking much the same recently, although not expressed so succinctly. Nothing in nature is ever exponential (for very long).