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Considering the amount of MFA attached to my phone plus communication access, my phone is a potentially more useful thing to steal than my wallet. Then again I
by mey 4y ago
Considering the amount of MFA attached to my phone plus communication access, my phone is a potentially more useful thing to steal than my wallet. Then again I rarely have cash on hand any more.
- r00fus 4y agoMy Apple Watch + Duo/OktaVerify or a number of other apps = 2nd factor without a phone. It also receives email. All I need is Wifi. I avoid SMS 2 factor.
- dotnet00 4y agoDoes Duo on Apple Watch not make you unlock your phone? On Android it seems to refuse to allow you to approve access via Watch without unlocking the phone, and if I have to reach for my phone anyway, I don’t really benefit from trying to approve it from my watch.
- Aeolun 4y agoCan they get through your fingerprint or key lock? It’d be entirely useless to steal my phone unless you are confident you can unlock it in 10 attempts.
- jerry1979 4y agoBut I'm entirely confident I can DOS your phone in 10 attempts.
- _nalply 4y agoMy children can, too. Never leave phones out of sight when children are around. I specifically checked whether my phone disables access after many tries, and my phone does not. Phew!
- dmix 4y agoMy house got burglarized and my work iPhone got stolen in addition to oddly a cookbook in an opened Amazon box on the counter. It seemed so dumb in retrospect... at least after I spent a day or two turning over my place looking for it (blaming myself for losing it) before reading in the press that a 40yr old got caught in the act robbing 10 houses in my neighborhood. He just went in and grabs whatever he could see then leaves quickly, and I happened to leave my iphone on the counter that night. I never got it back but I also realized it was basically a useless brick. Is there any value in stealing an iphone/modern android these days? They are so locked down what's the point? The only regret I had was I didn't turn on "Find my phone" because I'm so privacy paranoid but at least the password was a much more complex alphanumeric one than most people's plus w/o an icloud backup (pre-2023 before it became encrypted).
- mmahemoff 4y agoPhones are frequently snatched out of people's hands in London. They are sold in countries that don't blacklist them, mainly in Africa.
- dmix 4y agoI'm pretty sure Google/Apple OS boot locks are not simply geo-locked by mobile service vendors, so even in Africa it would be pretty limited in value for any modern phone. This happens when you start up the phone and it requires auth via the existing password and/or login to a Google/Apple account to deauth it from the primary account. Even after attempting to reinstall an ASOP boot OS on Android this will happen. That wasn't always the case though and thieves may not realize that. But otherwise for some reason I didn't consider selling it for parts to one of those tiny cellphone chop-shops. I assumed since it was a valuable iPhone it was ultimately mostly useless to them as a non-operational phone, but I guess $20-100 for parts is more than enough.
- ipaddr 4y agoParts make it more profitable compared to a bike.
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- firecall 4y agoPreviously there have been reported methods of accessing iPhones and Androids through via hardware hacking devices. Many people stick their credit card or ID in the back of their iPhone case as well. I used to when I didn't fully trust Apple Pay, and when ID apps werent fully available.
- lostlogin 4y ago> potentially more useful thing to steal than my wallet. It would be interesting to know the portion of people that doesn’t have a wallet anymore and see if it’s growing.
- illiarian 4y agoThere's also a sizable population of people like me who carry a wallet out of habit or because it has additional things like driver's license and various membership cards... but who never use the cards in that wallet, always relying on the phone
- bajsejohannes 4y agoI've been wallet free for some years now. Even the driver's license has become an app here in Norway (optional, you still get the physical one). The big downside is that my wallet and everything in it can run out of battery. That's not very redundant. Suddenly I won't be able to pay, identify, call, etc.
- CapstanRoller 4y agoHow do you show your driver's license to a government official without exposing everything else on your phone, especially to the police? From a US perspective, using one's phone as an ID seems incredibly risky.
- lostlogin 4y agoYou have to carry a licence when driving here in NZ but in the 10-15 years I haven’t carried a wallet I haven’t carried it. I’m not 100% on how it will go if I need it while driving (potential US$200 fine). It’s not needed for domestic flights or anything really.
- bajsejohannes 4y agoThe app can show a QR-code for inspection purposes. The police officer will scan this to verify a valid license. At no point do they touch the phone.
- toastal 4y agoIt’s a shame to see cash going away in some places. The alternatives are too traceable & used to sell your purchasing behaviors, & I’m not keen on that. We’re talking about the security of our phone’s data, but then giving up on our financial data. (Not to say there isn’t a place, but whole-sale ‘cashless’ is worrying).
- eega 4y agoWell, get better data protection. Cash is a pain in the ass …
- tnel77 4y agoAnd what would you propose? I think just using a debit/credit card in any capacity would make it so someone is tracking your purchases.
- tomcam 4y agoThe US government is unable to keep something as simple as its terrorist watchlist in good shape. People are constantly found to be terrorists when in fact, they are not. Imagine what it will be like when they can control your spending via digital currency.
- sandworm101 4y agoWait until you are trying to buy food/gas &in a town after the internet and/or power is out. That has happened to me many times ... in north america... in only the last few years. Perfect network connectivity is only a norm in big cities.