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Why?

by radicaldreamer 4y ago

Why?

johnmc408 4y ago
No OP, but I stopped when they renamed themselves to AdPR, which might have been around the same time...
- DiggyJohnson 4y ago
  I couldn't find any information about this. Am I missing a joke or a point?
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    Probably a joke about them going from having hosts very-occasionally acknowledge the names of big sponsors, to straight-up reading ads for them. Between ads for sponsors and ads for other NPR content or begging me to give them my car, they're almost as ad-heavy as any other station now. Maybe are as ad-heavy, if you count hours spent on pledge drives per year.
Overtonwindow 4y ago
I listened to NPR every day for 20 years, but around about 2006 they took on a clear bias in their reporting. Public Radio should be unbiased, nonpartisan, and provide programming enrichment for everyone. For me, it didn't matter who the bias was against, it was just the fact that this was supposed to be publicly funded programming, and I could no longer trust it's objectivity. Terri Gross and the whole lot abdicated their responsibility to be neutral.
- tomrod 4y ago
  What news sources and content, if any, do you follow instead? Personally, I started listening to NPR in 2007, and have consistently found them on point, unbiased, and including programming that enriches all. I tried to listen to talk radio (AM, some FM local) before that point and was decidedly turned off to most, if not all, of it (admittedly, I do not listen to every show).
  - Overtonwindow 4y ago
    Wall Street Journal, financial times, the economist, and Hckrnews :-)
    - majormajor 4y ago
      So is it that you think you can trust the objectivity, or just that they're private entities? Purely a coincidence that some of those have biases in the opposite direction as NPR?
      - pxmpxm 4y ago
        WSJ and FT/Economics sort of cancel each out on the bias in my experience. FT in particular is fairly left leaning on the american political spectrum.
      - Overtonwindow 4y ago
        Opposite direction of NPR? So you do agree that NPR has a bias ?
        tomrod 4y ago
        If one applies your approach, a superior parsing is that they were noting parent comments claims of NPR's bias towards liberal, democratic values, rather than making a slight or firm argument outright.
  - timr 4y ago
    I've been listening to Breaking Points with Krystal and Sagar a lot lately. Still not sure I "recommend" them, but they have solid representation on both sides of the political spectrum, and their takes are unique and usually interesting. They do overwhelm my ears, however, and I can't often make it through a full episode in one sitting.
- 0xffff2 4y ago
  NPR is not "publicly funded programming" in any meaningful sense. The vast majority of their funding is listener donations.
  - kbelder 4y ago
    'Listener-funded' seems like a good definition of 'public-funded'. Probably better than what is really meant, which is 'state funded'.
  - fwungy 4y ago
    A lot of their funding is from foundations. The big ones are often mentioned. Foundations fund things that meet their goals.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  > I listened to NPR every day for 20 years Long enough, in other words, to grow quite significantly older. > Terri Gross and the whole lot abdicated their responsibility to be neutral. Gross was never a journalist, and her show never had any aspirations toward neutrality. It's an interview show at the intersection of culture, politics, art and science. Of all the people you would pick as having "abdicated their responsibility", she's probably the worst possible choice, because there never was any responsibility implied or explicit.
my_usernam3 4y ago
Not OP, but I noticed around the same time an increase in focus of looking at every issue through the lens of racial inequities, which got worse during covid and the BLM protests. That being said, they sent out a survey a year ago asking specifically about this, and I think theres been an effort to not have so much tunnel vision. Source: me, take this all with a huge grain of salt Edit: Upon reading which podcasts were cancelled, I feel my theory is somewhat validated.
- DangerousPie 4y ago
  Totally agree with this. I don't even disagree with most of what they are saying, but it feels like it just became more about campaigning for what they had already decided was the truth rather than actually producing good journalism. There was a time where I actually started listening to old podcasts from years ago because my podcast feed had just became an endless barrage of BLM and culture wars. I think it has gotten a bit better again over the last year or so, but maybe I just got used to it.
  - freedomben 4y ago
    Oh man, this is so well said: > it feels like it just became more about campaigning for what they had already decided was the truth rather than actually producing good journalism. I'm really hoping at some point they'll come back because they were my favorite news source, but if they have views like many of the people I've discussed this with then they don't even realize there is a problem.
DiggyJohnson 4y ago
For me, and I am usually not person making this sort of point, was the change in focus towards topics and stories often described as “woke”.
- NovaDudely 4y ago
  Same here, the same reason I stopped really following Vox. Everything they did became so predictable even if you agreed with it.
- astrange 4y ago
  They were always like that, just focused on New England where ethnic white identities still exist. Now they have anchors emphasizing their Latino identities rather than MIT educated car repairmen emphasizing their Italian identity or Peter Sagal making jokes about being Jewish.
csa 4y ago
Not op, but I have a similar view. Note that I still like quite a bit of their content, but… The frequency and aggressiveness with with some NPR folks try to seek out perceived “victims of society” can be eye-roll worthy. I realize that it’s a narrative that resonates with their audience, but they can definitely cherry-pick their sources to the point that one could reasonably argue that their sources are not representative of the population/group (often by a lot). This has certainly been true when I’ve known the populations/groups well. Friends from other areas/domains have confirmed similar bias in their geographic areas and/or areas of professional expertise.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  > The frequency and aggressiveness with with some NPR folks try to seek out perceived “victims of society” can be eye-roll worthy. >> Matthew 25:40 “The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.” ps. re: a bible quote, I am either an atheist or at best a radical agnostic in the James Randi tradition of "I don't know - and you don't know either".
  - csa 4y ago
    I think that most regular NPR listeners, including me, are on board with helping “the least of these brothers and sisters”. The issue I have is when NPR uses sources theoretically representing “the least of these brothers and sisters” who do one or more of the following: - refuse help - actively sabotage themselves or their situation - leave out key details of the story - lie about key details of the story It’s these types of folks who both undercut the veracity of NPR coverage and push away moderate listeners (again, most of whom are on board with helping those in need).
  - nmz 4y ago
    I disagree on this viewpoint entirely. You should not help the least, but the most. Collectivism improves society, which also includes individuals. Now, this isn't to say you should never take an individualistic standpoint. But to do so with balance.
iamthepieman 4y ago
Not the op but they became identity politics focused. I listened to them from the time my grandfather turned me on to them when I was around 11, he listened to the nightly jazz program and after that was an old fashioned radio drama rebroadcast. I continued listening for 27 years until every single story seemed to be about identity politics or issues of identity. I dont listen to anything unless I happen to catch hidden brain, this American life or planet money when I'm in the car.
chiefalchemist 4y ago
What I would add to some of the other comments is the shameless bias. I used to find NPR objective in a left-leaning sort of way. But now when it comes to sociopolitical topics it's just lazy parrotting of the established narrative; too often ignoring details and questions that might be more revealing and honest. They're quick to mock the right's media not realizing their biases and blindspot are just as bad, just in a different way.
havblue 4y ago
There was a study that showed the number of times NYTimes used the words "racist", "sexist", etc went up 400% or so in the 2010's. I'm not sure if the study covered npr, but I definitely noticed that by 2015, every other story was about those subjects. I'll post the source if I find it but, yes, npr changed their content to cover these subjects dramatically more at that point.
- havblue 4y ago
  Here's the link to an article about the study I mentioned. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/26/media-news-article-shift-discourse-language https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/26/media-...
- soundnote 4y ago
  Another: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/media-great-racial-awakening https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/media-great...
- petsfed 4y ago
  I wonder how much of that is riding the wave vs. being the wave though. Contemporary with NPR and NYT talking about racism and sexism more is Twitter and other social media getting a lot more vocal about such topics (while #metoo really hit its stride in 2017, it started in 2006, for instance. Likewise, Black Lives Matter got its start in 2013), where individuals are sharing their stories a lot more. That's not to say that I don't think it was a deliberate move on their part, but rather I think the move was part of a feedback loop that already existed.

Why?

johnmc408 4y ago

No OP, but I stopped when they renamed themselves to AdPR, which might have been around the same time...

DiggyJohnson 4y ago
I couldn't find any information about this. Am I missing a joke or a point?
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Probably a joke about them going from having hosts very-occasionally acknowledge the names of big sponsors, to straight-up reading ads for them. Between ads for sponsors and ads for other NPR content or begging me to give them my car, they're almost as ad-heavy as any other station now. Maybe are as ad-heavy, if you count hours spent on pledge drives per year.

Overtonwindow 4y ago

I listened to NPR every day for 20 years, but around about 2006 they took on a clear bias in their reporting. Public Radio should be unbiased, nonpartisan, and provide programming enrichment for everyone. For me, it didn't matter who the bias was against, it was just the fact that this was supposed to be publicly funded programming, and I could no longer trust it's objectivity. Terri Gross and the whole lot abdicated their responsibility to be neutral.

tomrod 4y ago
What news sources and content, if any, do you follow instead? Personally, I started listening to NPR in 2007, and have consistently found them on point, unbiased, and including programming that enriches all. I tried to listen to talk radio (AM, some FM local) before that point and was decidedly turned off to most, if not all, of it (admittedly, I do not listen to every show).
- Overtonwindow 4y ago
  Wall Street Journal, financial times, the economist, and Hckrnews :-)
  - majormajor 4y ago
    So is it that you think you can trust the objectivity, or just that they're private entities? Purely a coincidence that some of those have biases in the opposite direction as NPR?
    - pxmpxm 4y ago
      WSJ and FT/Economics sort of cancel each out on the bias in my experience. FT in particular is fairly left leaning on the american political spectrum.
    - Overtonwindow 4y ago
      Opposite direction of NPR? So you do agree that NPR has a bias ?
      - tomrod 4y ago
        If one applies your approach, a superior parsing is that they were noting parent comments claims of NPR's bias towards liberal, democratic values, rather than making a slight or firm argument outright.
- timr 4y ago
  I've been listening to Breaking Points with Krystal and Sagar a lot lately. Still not sure I "recommend" them, but they have solid representation on both sides of the political spectrum, and their takes are unique and usually interesting. They do overwhelm my ears, however, and I can't often make it through a full episode in one sitting.
0xffff2 4y ago
NPR is not "publicly funded programming" in any meaningful sense. The vast majority of their funding is listener donations.
- kbelder 4y ago
  'Listener-funded' seems like a good definition of 'public-funded'. Probably better than what is really meant, which is 'state funded'.
- fwungy 4y ago
  A lot of their funding is from foundations. The big ones are often mentioned. Foundations fund things that meet their goals.
PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
> I listened to NPR every day for 20 years Long enough, in other words, to grow quite significantly older. > Terri Gross and the whole lot abdicated their responsibility to be neutral. Gross was never a journalist, and her show never had any aspirations toward neutrality. It's an interview show at the intersection of culture, politics, art and science. Of all the people you would pick as having "abdicated their responsibility", she's probably the worst possible choice, because there never was any responsibility implied or explicit.

my_usernam3 4y ago

Not OP, but I noticed around the same time an increase in focus of looking at every issue through the lens of racial inequities, which got worse during covid and the BLM protests. That being said, they sent out a survey a year ago asking specifically about this, and I think theres been an effort to not have so much tunnel vision. Source: me, take this all with a huge grain of salt Edit: Upon reading which podcasts were cancelled, I feel my theory is somewhat validated.

DangerousPie 4y ago
Totally agree with this. I don't even disagree with most of what they are saying, but it feels like it just became more about campaigning for what they had already decided was the truth rather than actually producing good journalism. There was a time where I actually started listening to old podcasts from years ago because my podcast feed had just became an endless barrage of BLM and culture wars. I think it has gotten a bit better again over the last year or so, but maybe I just got used to it.
- freedomben 4y ago
  Oh man, this is so well said: > it feels like it just became more about campaigning for what they had already decided was the truth rather than actually producing good journalism. I'm really hoping at some point they'll come back because they were my favorite news source, but if they have views like many of the people I've discussed this with then they don't even realize there is a problem.

DiggyJohnson 4y ago

For me, and I am usually not person making this sort of point, was the change in focus towards topics and stories often described as “woke”.

NovaDudely 4y ago
Same here, the same reason I stopped really following Vox. Everything they did became so predictable even if you agreed with it.
astrange 4y ago
They were always like that, just focused on New England where ethnic white identities still exist. Now they have anchors emphasizing their Latino identities rather than MIT educated car repairmen emphasizing their Italian identity or Peter Sagal making jokes about being Jewish.

csa 4y ago

Not op, but I have a similar view. Note that I still like quite a bit of their content, but… The frequency and aggressiveness with with some NPR folks try to seek out perceived “victims of society” can be eye-roll worthy. I realize that it’s a narrative that resonates with their audience, but they can definitely cherry-pick their sources to the point that one could reasonably argue that their sources are not representative of the population/group (often by a lot). This has certainly been true when I’ve known the populations/groups well. Friends from other areas/domains have confirmed similar bias in their geographic areas and/or areas of professional expertise.

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
> The frequency and aggressiveness with with some NPR folks try to seek out perceived “victims of society” can be eye-roll worthy. >> Matthew 25:40 “The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.” ps. re: a bible quote, I am either an atheist or at best a radical agnostic in the James Randi tradition of "I don't know - and you don't know either".
- csa 4y ago
  I think that most regular NPR listeners, including me, are on board with helping “the least of these brothers and sisters”. The issue I have is when NPR uses sources theoretically representing “the least of these brothers and sisters” who do one or more of the following: - refuse help - actively sabotage themselves or their situation - leave out key details of the story - lie about key details of the story It’s these types of folks who both undercut the veracity of NPR coverage and push away moderate listeners (again, most of whom are on board with helping those in need).
- nmz 4y ago
  I disagree on this viewpoint entirely. You should not help the least, but the most. Collectivism improves society, which also includes individuals. Now, this isn't to say you should never take an individualistic standpoint. But to do so with balance.

iamthepieman 4y ago

Not the op but they became identity politics focused. I listened to them from the time my grandfather turned me on to them when I was around 11, he listened to the nightly jazz program and after that was an old fashioned radio drama rebroadcast. I continued listening for 27 years until every single story seemed to be about identity politics or issues of identity. I dont listen to anything unless I happen to catch hidden brain, this American life or planet money when I'm in the car.

chiefalchemist 4y ago

What I would add to some of the other comments is the shameless bias. I used to find NPR objective in a left-leaning sort of way. But now when it comes to sociopolitical topics it's just lazy parrotting of the established narrative; too often ignoring details and questions that might be more revealing and honest. They're quick to mock the right's media not realizing their biases and blindspot are just as bad, just in a different way.

havblue 4y ago

There was a study that showed the number of times NYTimes used the words "racist", "sexist", etc went up 400% or so in the 2010's. I'm not sure if the study covered npr, but I definitely noticed that by 2015, every other story was about those subjects. I'll post the source if I find it but, yes, npr changed their content to cover these subjects dramatically more at that point.

havblue 4y ago
Here's the link to an article about the study I mentioned. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/26/media-news-article-shift-discourse-language https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/26/media-...
soundnote 4y ago
Another: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/media-great-racial-awakening https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/media-great...
petsfed 4y ago
I wonder how much of that is riding the wave vs. being the wave though. Contemporary with NPR and NYT talking about racism and sexism more is Twitter and other social media getting a lot more vocal about such topics (while #metoo really hit its stride in 2017, it started in 2006, for instance. Likewise, Black Lives Matter got its start in 2013), where individuals are sharing their stories a lot more. That's not to say that I don't think it was a deliberate move on their part, but rather I think the move was part of a feedback loop that already existed.