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Utah parent says the Bible contains porn and should be removed from schools

27 points by alex_young 4y ago

uticus 4y ago
already flagged https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35289459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35289459
jmclnx 4y ago
Per the laws passed, the Bible, or some books of it, meets the requirement to be banned.
- chungy 4y ago
  The Song of Solomon especially :)
  - simonblack 4y ago
    Then there's Genesis. Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Therefore any further children (Where did the girls come from?) came from incest between Eve and Cain (Abel was already murdered).
    - mos_basik 4y ago
      Hey, hey, now. :) We can point out incest while not making any unproven allegations about Eve or Cain specifically: When Adam was 130 years old, he became the father of a son who was just like him—in his very image. He named his son Seth. After the birth of Seth, Adam lived another 800 years, and he had other sons and daughters. --Genesis 5:3-4
chungy 4y ago
A couple of the claims made by the parent don't seem to hold merit: genital mutilation and dildos. I doubt the Bible has an examples of those, but the other claims, yes it does contain that, always as a negative example of how wicked people act. The negative example aspect is important, because it conveys the intent that such material is included (and mind that even Bibles that contain pictures in them, don't depict those scenes). Rather than something to "get off on", as pornographic material does, it is something to feel disgusted by and thus be dissuaded from engaging in such practice.
- olddustytrail 4y ago
  I believe the genital mutilation refers to circumcision and the dildos would refer to Ezekiel "you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them"
  - chungy 4y ago
    That makes sense. I am against involuntary circumcision (and honestly, Christians shouldn't be practicing it anyway :p).
- Someone 4y ago
  > A couple of the claims made by the parent don't seem to hold merit: genital mutilation and dildos. The impact of female circumcision is a lot higher than that of male circumcision, but IMO both are genital mutilation. As to dildos, Ezekiel 16:17 gets very close. Picking a few translations at random: “Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels made of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and [m]madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,” (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+16-17&version=GNV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+16-17&v...) “You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.” (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2016-17&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2016-17...) “You also took your beautiful jewels of my gold and my silver that I had given you, and made for yourself male images, and with them played the whore” (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+16-17&version=NRSVACE https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+16-17&v...)
- UncleOxidant 4y ago
  > A couple of the claims made by the parent don't seem to hold merit: genital mutilation Ummm... circumcision is pretty central in the old testament narrative.
  - etrautmann 4y ago
    Central to what?
amrb 4y ago
I'm utterly outraged at the state of our written literature, in this day and age we've fallen so far as to only partake in a single breast in the adult mags.
uticus 4y ago
On the surface, this argument is “consistency.” Of course the surface argument covers something much deeper. To condense and clarify, two options when speaking about the Bible: 1. The Bible is the Word of God, not human-made but revealed. Therefore it is the primary standard by which other decisions must be made. Therefore it drives intent of law, merit of other books, etc. or 2. The Bible is not the Word of God, human-made and not revealed. Therefore something else is the primary standard by which other decisions must be made. Approaches to the Bible, along with intent of law, merit of other books, etc, is driven by something else. What is the “something else” in point two? Nothing that measures up to the Bible in terms of justice and goodness. My money is on option #1, ill-conceived partial quoting of it notwithstanding.
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a_shovel 4y ago
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andrejguran 4y ago
Well, well, well. How the turntables...

27 points by alex_young 4y ago

uticus 4y ago

already flagged https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35289459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35289459

jmclnx 4y ago

Per the laws passed, the Bible, or some books of it, meets the requirement to be banned.

chungy 4y ago
The Song of Solomon especially :)
- simonblack 4y ago
  Then there's Genesis. Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Therefore any further children (Where did the girls come from?) came from incest between Eve and Cain (Abel was already murdered).
  - mos_basik 4y ago
    Hey, hey, now. :) We can point out incest while not making any unproven allegations about Eve or Cain specifically: When Adam was 130 years old, he became the father of a son who was just like him—in his very image. He named his son Seth. After the birth of Seth, Adam lived another 800 years, and he had other sons and daughters. --Genesis 5:3-4

chungy 4y ago

A couple of the claims made by the parent don't seem to hold merit: genital mutilation and dildos. I doubt the Bible has an examples of those, but the other claims, yes it does contain that, always as a negative example of how wicked people act. The negative example aspect is important, because it conveys the intent that such material is included (and mind that even Bibles that contain pictures in them, don't depict those scenes). Rather than something to "get off on", as pornographic material does, it is something to feel disgusted by and thus be dissuaded from engaging in such practice.

olddustytrail 4y ago
I believe the genital mutilation refers to circumcision and the dildos would refer to Ezekiel "you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them"
- chungy 4y ago
  That makes sense. I am against involuntary circumcision (and honestly, Christians shouldn't be practicing it anyway :p).
Someone 4y ago
> A couple of the claims made by the parent don't seem to hold merit: genital mutilation and dildos. The impact of female circumcision is a lot higher than that of male circumcision, but IMO both are genital mutilation. As to dildos, Ezekiel 16:17 gets very close. Picking a few translations at random: “Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels made of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and [m]madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,” (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+16-17&version=GNV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+16-17&v...) “You also took the fine jewelry I gave you, the jewelry made of my gold and silver, and you made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them.” (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2016-17&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2016-17...) “You also took your beautiful jewels of my gold and my silver that I had given you, and made for yourself male images, and with them played the whore” (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+16-17&version=NRSVACE https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+16-17&v...)
UncleOxidant 4y ago
> A couple of the claims made by the parent don't seem to hold merit: genital mutilation Ummm... circumcision is pretty central in the old testament narrative.
- etrautmann 4y ago
  Central to what?

amrb 4y ago

I'm utterly outraged at the state of our written literature, in this day and age we've fallen so far as to only partake in a single breast in the adult mags.

uticus 4y ago

On the surface, this argument is “consistency.” Of course the surface argument covers something much deeper. To condense and clarify, two options when speaking about the Bible: 1. The Bible is the Word of God, not human-made but revealed. Therefore it is the primary standard by which other decisions must be made. Therefore it drives intent of law, merit of other books, etc. or 2. The Bible is not the Word of God, human-made and not revealed. Therefore something else is the primary standard by which other decisions must be made. Approaches to the Bible, along with intent of law, merit of other books, etc, is driven by something else. What is the “something else” in point two? Nothing that measures up to the Bible in terms of justice and goodness. My money is on option #1, ill-conceived partial quoting of it notwithstanding.

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a_shovel 4y ago

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andrejguran 4y ago

Well, well, well. How the turntables...